Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 29th, 2017, 3:26 pm

The Keystone Pipeline System is an oil pipeline system in Canada and the United States, commissioned in 2010 and now owned solely by TransCanada Corporation. It runs from the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin in Alberta to refineries in Illinois and Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline


What does this have to do with the topic of; Dilbit spill could hurt salmon??

How many Salmon are there between Texas and Alberta?
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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 29th, 2017, 5:13 pm

alanjh595 wrote:
The Keystone Pipeline System is an oil pipeline system in Canada and the United States, commissioned in 2010 and now owned solely by TransCanada Corporation. It runs from the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin in Alberta to refineries in Illinois and Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline


What does this have to do with the topic of; Dilbit spill could hurt salmon??

How many Salmon are there between Texas and Alberta?


Try again. Nobody said anything about salmon in Alberta or Texas. We were discussing the KM/TM pipeline expansion, which will cross salmon-bearing streams. Otherwise why would KM start laying down that orange fencing to stop salmon from spawning where they think the pipeline's going to go?

I merely pointed out that 'Big Oil' has been trying to build pipelines from the 'oil' sands in AB to the coast.......ANY coast. They have failed miserably with Energy East and Keystone XL. They also failed to get one going north (probably before your time). So they're desperate to get one to the Pacific, and that's not going to happen in the foreseeable future.
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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 29th, 2017, 5:22 pm

There is sure a lot of speculation and suppositions that have no basis of fact or evidence to support them.

Maybe, perhaps, or possibly, someday, there might be a Salmon in Texas. BUT as far as I know, they smoke them and eat them and the come from the Atlantic Ocean or a fish farm in BC for the really good stuff.
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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 29th, 2017, 8:02 pm

alanjh595 wrote:There is sure a lot of speculation and suppositions that have no basis of fact or evidence to support them.

Maybe, perhaps, or possibly, someday, there might be a Salmon in Texas. BUT as far as I know, they smoke them and eat them and the come from the Atlantic Ocean or a fish farm in BC for the really good stuff.


Wrong again. Most of them come to B.C. to catch wild salmon. They smuggle food and booze over the border so they don't have to buy anything while they're here. They either stay long enough to smoke and/or can their catch, or get the locals to freeze it for them, then fly home. If there are any who buy farmed Atlantic salmon to smoke, you can always tell who they are by who they vote for. They're the ones who vote for Trump's Tea Party.

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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby LordEd » Dec 29th, 2017, 8:30 pm

Cactusflower wrote:[
Wrong again. Most of them come to B.C. to catch wild salmon. They smuggle food and booze over the border so they don't have to buy anything while they're here. They either stay long enough to smoke and/or can their catch, or get the locals to freeze it for them, then fly home.

Hasty generalization. Please support the statements, in particular the one where 'most of them' smuggle booze and food to avoid spending money locally.

What port of entry is not inspecting them? Which customs office?

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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby LordEd » Dec 29th, 2017, 8:32 pm

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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 30th, 2017, 11:48 am

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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby twobits » Dec 30th, 2017, 7:08 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Heres what vancouver aquarium dr had to say

Dr. Martin Helina, of the Vancouver Aquarium, said [b]there could be[/b] long-term toxic effects on any exposed animals.

"They [toxins] hurt the liver, [b]might[/b] infect the lungs, might[/b] hurt red blood cells, [b]might affect reproduction many, many years down the line," he said.


Well done MJ. Seems like a whole lot of "mights" and "could be's" which means to me to be nothing but speculation without any science backup.

Dr Twobits said there might be and could be brain addled comments made by consumers of weed and alcohol in excess.
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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby Cactusflower » Jan 15th, 2018, 10:51 am

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/oil-tanker ... -1.4487656
I suppose the supporters of dilbit export think this couldn't happen in B.C.'s coastal waters. Think again. This accident, as with all others in history, was caused by human error. All the arguments that contain phrases like 'double-hulled vessels' sound pretty lame when hearing about a tragedy such as this one.
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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby hobbyguy » Jan 15th, 2018, 11:55 am

Cactusflower wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/oil-tanker-fire-sunk-oil-slick-east-china-sea-1.4487656
I suppose the supporters of dilbit export think this couldn't happen in B.C.'s coastal waters. Think again. This accident, as with all others in history, was caused by human error. All the arguments that contain phrases like 'double-hulled vessels' sound pretty lame when hearing about a tragedy such as this one.


You do realize that was an Iranian tanker carrying condensate? Not dilbit.
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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby Cactusflower » Jan 15th, 2018, 12:42 pm

hobbyguy wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/oil-tanker-fire-sunk-oil-slick-east-china-sea-1.4487656
I suppose the supporters of dilbit export think this couldn't happen in B.C.'s coastal waters. Think again. This accident, as with all others in history, was caused by human error. All the arguments that contain phrases like 'double-hulled vessels' sound pretty lame when hearing about a tragedy such as this one.


You do realize that was an Iranian tanker carrying condensate? Not dilbit.


Read it and weep. Splitting hairs doesn't make for a good argument:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbit
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Re: Dilbit spill could hurt salmon

Postby Fancy » Jan 15th, 2018, 12:46 pm

It was carrying
an ultra-light, highly flammable crude oil
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