54917

$5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 27th, 2017, 11:14 am

Cactusflower wrote: And if you guys who think it made more money during those months than we spent on the repairs would like to present some figures here, I'd be very appreciative.


what for? You've already demonstrated that you don't understand basic math, so there is no point.
Not all leftists are stupid, but most stupid people are leftists
- Dr. Don Boys

4 people like this post.
User avatar
The Green Barbarian
Admiral HMS Castanet
 
Posts: 26917
Likes: 11266 posts
Liked in: 14755 posts
Joined: Sep 16th, 2010, 9:13 am

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby Dizzy1 » Dec 27th, 2017, 11:31 am

The Green Barbarian wrote:
exactly. Which is why the NDP hasn't won an election in over 20 years.

And still hasn't won [icon_lol2.gif]
Last edited by ferri on Dec 27th, 2017, 2:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Fixed quote
Nobody wants to hear your opinion. They just want to hear their own opinion coming out of your mouth.

3 people like this post.
Dizzy1
Walks on Forum Water
 
Posts: 10778
Likes: 4507 posts
Liked in: 5130 posts
Joined: Feb 12th, 2011, 2:56 pm

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby gordon_as » Dec 27th, 2017, 12:02 pm

I don't think that 3 mil is an exorbitant amount for repairs and maintenance on a vessel of that size. I do question whether it truly is no longer "seaworthy". How much would it have cost to refit it with new engines , propulsion , and electronics systems to keep it in the water for another ??? years ? Yes , it also needs modernizing inside. The new Salish class ferries were built in Poland , and were supposed to cost about 66 million each. They run on diesel or LNG which may be why they were favored by BC Ferries. Two Spirit Class superferries are scheduled to be sent to Poland to be retrofitted for LNG as well , at a cost of $70 million each. After the Queen of Burnaby is sold (probably given away) there is no way to ensure that it doesn't end up doing regular service in Fiji , like the Queen of Chilliwack is. The government spent 15 million refurbishing that one , then sold it to a former BC ferries employee for 1.8 million. The Liberal government gave away the fastcats for $20 million , even though they had been offered $70 million. They were resold for a rumoured $340 million. BC has a history of giving away ferries for a fraction of their worth , so who is going to actually offer fair market value ?
New for 2018 : Now posting at the maturity level of the average Lieberal cheerleader. Any intelligent remarks or verifiable facts are probably accidental.

Cactusflower likes this post.
gordon_as
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2808
Likes: 33 posts
Liked in: 917 posts
Joined: Feb 16th, 2008, 9:12 am

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby Poindexter » Dec 27th, 2017, 12:02 pm

One of the implications of making BC Ferries a privately run company, is they will make decisions that aren't always politically savvy but reflect better on a balance statement and/or, depending on how they're incentivized, increase executive bonuses.
User avatar
Poindexter
Guru
 
Posts: 5277
Likes: 3204 posts
Liked in: 3757 posts
Joined: May 26th, 2008, 11:44 am

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 27th, 2017, 12:09 pm

Poindexter wrote:One of the implications of making BC Ferries a privately run company, is they will make decisions that aren't always politically savvy but reflect better on a balance statement and/or, depending on how they're incentivized, increase executive bonuses.


Good point and an excellent argument in favor of it being a private company.
Not all leftists are stupid, but most stupid people are leftists
- Dr. Don Boys
User avatar
The Green Barbarian
Admiral HMS Castanet
 
Posts: 26917
Likes: 11266 posts
Liked in: 14755 posts
Joined: Sep 16th, 2010, 9:13 am

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 27th, 2017, 1:08 pm

Poindexter wrote:One of the implications of making BC Ferries a privately run company, is they will make decisions that aren't always politically savvy but reflect better on a balance statement and/or, depending on how they're incentivized, increase executive bonuses.


What you don't seem to realize is that the BC government is the sole shareholder of BC Ferries. Don't think for a minute that the BC Liberals weren't pulling BC Ferries strings ever since Campbell semi-privatized it.
Cactusflower
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2856
Likes: 1355 posts
Liked in: 615 posts
Joined: Aug 27th, 2017, 11:33 pm

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 27th, 2017, 1:49 pm

Who owned it back when the NDP was last elected, some 17 years ago. What did they do with it then?

The Fast Ferry Scandal, also referred to as the Fast Ferries Scandal, "FastCat Fiasco", Fast Ferries Fiasco, was a political affair in the late 1990s relating to the construction of three fast ferries by the Canadian provincial crown corporation BC Ferries under direction of the British Columbia New Democratic Party then headed by premier Glen Clark.

Despite major delays and cost overruns, the ferries never fully met their original specifications, and only operated briefly in a reduced capacity, before being auctioned off at a substantial economic loss.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Ferry_Scandal
User avatar
alanjh595
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3156
Likes: 1265 posts
Liked in: 2019 posts
Joined: Oct 20th, 2017, 5:18 pm

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 27th, 2017, 3:55 pm

alanjh595 wrote:Who owned it back when the NDP was last elected, some 17 years ago. What did they do with it then?

The Fast Ferry Scandal, also referred to as the Fast Ferries Scandal, "FastCat Fiasco", Fast Ferries Fiasco, was a political affair in the late 1990s relating to the construction of three fast ferries by the Canadian provincial crown corporation BC Ferries under direction of the British Columbia New Democratic Party then headed by premier Glen Clark.

Despite major delays and cost overruns, the ferries never fully met their original specifications, and only operated briefly in a reduced capacity, before being auctioned off at a substantial economic loss.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Ferry_Scandal


You must have missed the 'gordon_as' post at 11:02a.m. today. Your questions are answered right there.
Cactusflower
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2856
Likes: 1355 posts
Liked in: 615 posts
Joined: Aug 27th, 2017, 11:33 pm

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 27th, 2017, 4:19 pm

It was a rhetorical question. I provided the evidence that The NDP totally screwed up when they were in charge of BC Ferries.
User avatar
alanjh595
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3156
Likes: 1265 posts
Liked in: 2019 posts
Joined: Oct 20th, 2017, 5:18 pm

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 27th, 2017, 5:13 pm

alanjh595 wrote:It was a rhetorical question. I provided the evidence that The NDP totally screwed up when they were in charge of BC Ferries.


of course they did. The NDP are boneheads who can't govern. Anywhere.
Not all leftists are stupid, but most stupid people are leftists
- Dr. Don Boys
User avatar
The Green Barbarian
Admiral HMS Castanet
 
Posts: 26917
Likes: 11266 posts
Liked in: 14755 posts
Joined: Sep 16th, 2010, 9:13 am

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 27th, 2017, 5:15 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote:
alanjh595 wrote:It was a rhetorical question. I provided the evidence that The NDP totally screwed up when they were in charge of BC Ferries.


of course they did. The NDP are boneheads who can't govern. Anywhere.


The NDP couldn't plan a trip to the bathroom without first asking a study group as to how they should respond.
User avatar
alanjh595
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3156
Likes: 1265 posts
Liked in: 2019 posts
Joined: Oct 20th, 2017, 5:18 pm

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 27th, 2017, 9:16 pm

alanjh595 wrote:It was a rhetorical question. I provided the evidence that The NDP totally screwed up when they were in charge of BC Ferries.


The 'Fast Ferry Scandal', as you like to call it [icon_lol2.gif] was actually one of El Gordo's most spiteful creations. I guess you forgot how he sold them for peanuts back to the builder, who re-sold them to a middle east country and made a bundle on them. Then the foggy-brained Campbell turned around and spent millions of our tax dollars on some German-made tubs that are too expensive to put on a regular scheduled run, and when they break down, which is fairly often, parts and labourers must be brought over from Germany to fix them. It remains to be seen how those Polish tubs will fare over here, but if they're anything like Christy's other acquisitions, we'll be making up some new Polish jokes fairly soon.
Cactusflower
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2856
Likes: 1355 posts
Liked in: 615 posts
Joined: Aug 27th, 2017, 11:33 pm

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby gordon_as » Dec 27th, 2017, 9:26 pm

alanjh595 wrote:
The NDP couldn't plan a trip to the bathroom without first asking a study group as to how they should respond.


No need to plan the trip , The BC Liberals gave all the bathrooms to their friends.
New for 2018 : Now posting at the maturity level of the average Lieberal cheerleader. Any intelligent remarks or verifiable facts are probably accidental.
gordon_as
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2808
Likes: 33 posts
Liked in: 917 posts
Joined: Feb 16th, 2008, 9:12 am

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby gordon_as » Dec 27th, 2017, 9:29 pm

Cactusflower wrote:
Then the foggy-brained Campbell turned around and spent millions of our tax dollars on some German-made tubs that are too expensive to put on a regular scheduled run, and when they break down, which is fairly often, parts and labourers must be brought over from Germany to fix them. It remains to be seen how those Polish tubs will fare over here, but if they're anything like Christy's other acquisitions, we'll be making up some new Polish jokes fairly soon.


But , but , but they can run on LNG. Don't we have tons of that stuff ?
New for 2018 : Now posting at the maturity level of the average Lieberal cheerleader. Any intelligent remarks or verifiable facts are probably accidental.
gordon_as
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2808
Likes: 33 posts
Liked in: 917 posts
Joined: Feb 16th, 2008, 9:12 am

Re: $5,000 opening bid on BC Ferry

Postby gordon_as » Dec 27th, 2017, 9:32 pm

Love how the anti NDP crowd pulls out "fast ferries" like it's their silver bullet , while completely ignoring the actual financial facts on the matter.
New for 2018 : Now posting at the maturity level of the average Lieberal cheerleader. Any intelligent remarks or verifiable facts are probably accidental.

Cactusflower likes this post.
gordon_as
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2808
Likes: 33 posts
Liked in: 917 posts
Joined: Feb 16th, 2008, 9:12 am

PreviousNext

Return to B.C.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest