First nation proves they not extinct

First nation proves they not extinct

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 29th, 2017, 3:17 pm

http://glbn.ca/NlZXvx

Nice see courts making good rulings

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Wildlife for free.

Postby plunber » Dec 29th, 2017, 5:28 pm

No wildlife fir sale in BC. Why bother when we give it away for free. Brutal. just brutal.
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 29th, 2017, 5:42 pm

maryjane48 wrote:http://glbn.ca/NlZXvx

Nice see courts making good rulings


I think the Crown screwed up, MJ. He should never have been charged with hunting on the wrong side of he border, since we all know (or should know) that there are no borders for indigenous people. If, on the other hand, he was hunting illegally, such as shooting a female elk out of season (the article doesn't even mention that), then the judge would have found him guilty of that. Correct me if I'm wrong but the laws of the land pertain to everyone, not just people who emigrated to Canada over the past several hundred years.

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Re: Wildlife for free.

Postby Queen K » Dec 29th, 2017, 6:19 pm

An American Indigenous man's right to hunt in Canada has been upheld by a judge because his ancestors traditionally hunted in this country.

Richard Desautel was charged with violations under British Columbia's Wildlife Act after he shot and killed a cow elk near Castlegar in 2010.

Desautel, a member of the Lakes Tribe in Washington state, argued in provincial court that he was exercising his constitutional right to hunt for ceremonial purposes and was acquitted of the charges in March.

But the Crown appealed to the B.C. Supreme Court, arguing that Desautel is not an Aboriginal person of Canada because the First Nation he claims to be a member of was declared extinct, so he doesn't have that constitutional right.

Justice Robert Sewell has dismissed the appeal, saying Desautel's tribe traditionally lived on both sides of the border and it has deep connections to its territory in Canada.

Sewell's written decision says denying the group's rights would be inconsistent with the objective of reconciliation, because the group occupied the land before European settlers came into contact with First Nations and continued to use the territory after an international boundary was imposed.
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Re: Wildlife for free.

Postby Fancy » Dec 29th, 2017, 6:57 pm

Fancy this, Fancy that and by the way, T*t for Tat
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby dogspoiler » Dec 30th, 2017, 8:14 am

He's just another poacher and should be treated that way.
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby dirtybiker » Dec 30th, 2017, 10:53 am

That bad ruling has just opened the floodgates to much, much more
of the same.
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby the truth » Dec 30th, 2017, 11:54 am

indeed it has,
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby trapp » Dec 30th, 2017, 3:11 pm

So wonder what happens if BC First Nations hunts on the other side of the border in the US ? Also BC First Nations do not have to follow the regulations in regards to open seasons. They can kill what they want, male or female, any time of the year on their traditional territory.

About five years ago there was a traditional hunt end of August and the camp was where the 201 Forest Road ends at the Kettle River at the Rec Site. Many American natives there as well as Canadian natives. They hunted almost every road off the 201 and Christian Valley roads. Most of the harvest was antlerless whitetail.
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 30th, 2017, 3:29 pm

Isn't bringing firearms into Canada illegal? If they want to claim their hunting rights regardless of international boundaries, then be subject to the original methods of hunting when they were granted? For example, bows and arrows, and without modern means of use of snowmobiles, automobiles, GPS, compasses, down filled jackets and fleece under garments?
If they want to hunt and be treated as their ancestors had signed the agreements, then they should have to abide by the conditions that were there when that agreement was signed.
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I wonder how many illegal firearms are brought into the country this way?
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby the truth » Dec 30th, 2017, 3:57 pm

100% correct
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 30th, 2017, 4:00 pm

How many of them are left before that tribe does become extinct? Does he have any children that will take over when he dies? Is he the last one?
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby twobits » Dec 30th, 2017, 4:35 pm

trapp wrote:So wonder what happens if BC First Nations hunts on the other side of the border in the US ?


An answer to that question is what I am really interested in!! Is there reciprocity from the Americans?
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby trapp » Dec 30th, 2017, 7:23 pm

Hunters take firearms back and forth across the border all the time. There are rules that they have to abide by.

http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-ins ... to-canada/
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Re: First nation proves they not extinct

Postby twobits » Dec 30th, 2017, 7:36 pm

trapp wrote:Hunters take firearms back and forth across the border all the time. There are rules that they have to abide by.

http://www.ezbordercrossing.com/the-ins ... to-canada/


Of course they do but what is required to actually hunt in another country? Is it abiding by the rules of that country? Or does the US give Canadian FN's a free pass to shoot whatever they want in US territory?
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