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Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 8:15 am
by The Green Barbarian
let's read that one again:
A lot of grain is grown in the Peace region. Much of that area will be flooded by the reservoir for the Site C dam.
Folks, this is an example of the kind of person who is against Site C, and against KM. These people have no integrity, and will say and do anything, and tell any lie they can, to get people on their side. If you have any doubts that you are on the right side, read something like this, and know, the "NO!!! side is going to fail. No house built on this much sand will ever stand.
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C.
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 9:28 am
by gordon_as
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Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C.
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 9:35 am
by The Green Barbarian
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Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 9:43 am
by normaM
Oh GB, as if KM has so much integrity
In 2011, PHMSA cited Kinder Morgan for these safety violations:
failing to maintain update maps showing pipeline locations,
failing to test pipeline safety devices,
failing to maintain proper firefighting equipment,
failing to inspect its pipelines as required,
failing to adequately monitor pipes’ corrosion levels
and there is a fairly long list
I don't support the pipeline
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C.
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 9:52 am
by Cactusflower
Jhunter199 wrote:Cactusflower wrote:Have you any idea how much grain one could grow on 3,800 hectares? And when you speak of 'forage' do you even know what that word means? Don't bother looking it up in your Funk & Wagnalls, I'll tell you. It means 'food for horses and cattle.
BAZINGA!
In decent land conditions (not the bottom of a valley like the proposed site c flood land) you can expect to get 2-3 metric tonnes per hectare. The amount of grain needed to finish "grain fed beef" is 15-18 lbs of grain per day for 4 months. This amounts to 1800-2600lbs of grain per head or 1 tonne per head. BC just isn't in the position to change the industry and start finishing cattle, we great at birthing calves, raising them to 600-900lbs then selling them to Alberta because they have the resources and capacities needed to finish them to market.
I'm glad to see we're back on topic now, but I just had to make a suggestion regarding ranching and farming in B.C. Since we seem to buy a fair amount of Australian beef, and since you and others seem to think B.C. ranchers aren't able to 'finish' their cattle here, perhaps they should consider skipping the 'finishing' part and go with grass-fed beef. It's a much healthier product anyway.
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 11:03 am
by CapitalB
normaM wrote:Oh GB, as if KM has so much integrity
In 2011, PHMSA cited Kinder Morgan for these safety violations:
failing to maintain update maps showing pipeline locations,
failing to test pipeline safety devices,
failing to maintain proper firefighting equipment,
failing to inspect its pipelines as required,
failing to adequately monitor pipes’ corrosion levels
and there is a fairly long list
I don't support the pipeline
Liar! Stop trying to ruin the economy with your untruths you enemy of capitalism
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 11:06 am
by rustled
normaM wrote:Oh GB, as if KM has so much integrity
In 2011, PHMSA cited Kinder Morgan for these safety violations:
failing to maintain update maps showing pipeline locations,
failing to test pipeline safety devices,
failing to maintain proper firefighting equipment,
failing to inspect its pipelines as required,
failing to adequately monitor pipes’ corrosion levels
and there is a fairly long list
I don't support the pipeline
Were any of these addressed in the 150+ conditions?
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 11:32 am
by Cactusflower
rustled wrote:normaM wrote:Oh GB, as if KM has so much integrity
In 2011, PHMSA cited Kinder Morgan for these safety violations:
failing to maintain update maps showing pipeline locations,
failing to test pipeline safety devices,
failing to maintain proper firefighting equipment,
failing to inspect its pipelines as required,
failing to adequately monitor pipes’ corrosion levels
and there is a fairly long list
I don't support the pipeline
Were any of these addressed in the 150+ conditions?
Good question. And I found the link provided by 'CapitalB' most interesting.
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 11:33 am
by The Green Barbarian
normaM wrote:I don't support the pipeline
so what do you support?
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 11:51 am
by George+
The NDP ..hydroelectric, solar, hybrid, and so on.
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 11:53 am
by The Green Barbarian
George+ wrote:The NDP ..hydroelectric, solar, hybrid, and so on.
Hybrid what? The NDP just plain sucks, BTW.
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 1:48 pm
by Urbane
The big question is: How will all of this end? Well, it won't end with the Government of Canada and/or the Government of Alberta saying, "Okay, John. You win. We give up." Horgan is using the same strategy that he did with Site C. Give every impression that you're going to cancel the project, ask the BCUC to conduct a review, and then "learn" for the first time that $2 billion would be wasted if the project were killed. Imagine that! Now Horgan will "learn" that pipelines are a federal responsibility. Again, imagine that! What a gong show we have in Victoria!
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 2:03 pm
by CapitalB
Urbane wrote:The big question is: How will all of this end? Well, it won't end with the Government of Canada and/or the Government of Alberta saying, "Okay, John. You win. We give up." Horgan is using the same strategy that he did with Site C. Give every impression that your'e going to cancel the project, ask the BCUC to conduct a review, and then "learn" for the first time that $2 billion would be wasted if the project were killed. Imagine that! Now Horgan will "learn" that pipelines are a federal responsibility. Again, imagine that! What a gong show we have in Victoria!
I like to imagine that he's not necessarily naive about how the laws of government work. What I imagine (keyword because nobody really knows) is that they've put so much effort into catering to a number of separate and conflicting groups of people. That they basically have to play the stupid politics game of even when you know what has to be done you have to pretend to do the thing some people are expecting.
I mean look at all the groups we know they have to cater to;
The green party themselves for obvious reasons.
The green leaning(keyword here, more people lean that way than actually vote that way) swing voters.
The ndp base, which honestly is kind of directionless / many conflicting directions
The liberal leaning swing voters, because they obviously want more seats in the next election so they obviously have to try and poach some of these.
and then theres all the usual business', federal government, intra party what have you.
To a large degree they've kind of painted themselves into a corner, how do you balance so many conflicting interests? By doing a series of stupid looking things and then doing the obvious thing at the end. /slowclap
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 2:04 pm
by Urban Cowboy
Urbane wrote:The big question is: How will all of this end? Well, it won't end with the Government of Canada and/or the Government of Alberta saying, "Okay, John. You win. We give up." Horgan is using the same strategy that he did with Site C. Give every impression that you're going to cancel the project, ask the BCUC to conduct a review, and then "learn" for the first time that $2 billion would be wasted if the project were killed. Imagine that! Now Horgan will "learn" that pipelines are a federal responsibility. Again, imagine that! What a gong show we have in Victoria!
This is what happens when a halfwit winds up in the Premier's chair.
I knew the NDP would be a disaster, but even I thought it would take a little longer than it has, to get to this level of severity.
Re: Alberta pulls plug on B.C./Wine
Posted: Feb 9th, 2018, 2:07 pm
by Cactusflower
Urbane wrote:The big question is: How will all of this end? Well, it won't end with the Government of Canada and/or the Government of Alberta saying, "Okay, John. You win. We give up." Horgan is using the same strategy that he did with Site C. Give every impression that you're going to cancel the project, ask the BCUC to conduct a review, and then "learn" for the first time that $2 billion would be wasted if the project were killed. Imagine that! Now Horgan will "learn" that pipelines are a federal responsibility. Again, imagine that! What a gong show we have in Victoria!
I think it will end when an investigation into the contributions from Big Oil and Communist China to the Alberta and Federal governments is completed and made public.