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Pregnant and on the street

Pregnant and on the street

Postby dogdad » Feb 9th, 2018, 7:48 am

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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby normaM » Feb 9th, 2018, 8:13 am

Just read it, so terrible sad all the way around.
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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby TreeGuy » Feb 9th, 2018, 8:15 am

normaM wrote:Just read it, so terrible sad all the way around.


I felt sad reading it as well.
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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby 69cutlass » Feb 9th, 2018, 8:58 am

Someone needs their tubes tied.

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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby KiloHotel » Feb 9th, 2018, 9:00 am

69cutlass wrote:Someone needs their tubes tied.


This exactly, why should she be allowed to have *bleep* children that will most likely (but hopefully not) grow up to be criminals. That's one thing that bugs me with the whole "Its my body, my decision" bull. In this situation, she should be sterilized. How this is acceptable to people is beyond me.

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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby GordonH » Feb 9th, 2018, 9:12 am

Right to Life activists here is someone who could use your help, oops my bad it's more important to protest outside hospitals.
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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby JayByrd » Feb 9th, 2018, 9:55 am

KiloHotel wrote:
This exactly, why should she be allowed to have *bleep* children that will most likely (but hopefully not) grow up to be criminals. That's one thing that bugs me with the whole "Its my body, my decision" bull. In this situation, she should be sterilized. How this is acceptable to people is beyond me.


Which branch of government to you trust enough to give that authority to? And are there any examples elsewhere in the world where forced sterilizations have been of benefit to society?

Hell, let's not limit this to just the most vulnerable. People with criminal backgrounds, people who are poor, people with chronic health issues. If you can't live a healthy, productive lifestyle (the government will determine a definition of "productive") then your kids most likely won't either. Sterilize 'em all I say.

The above is an extreme example, but do you really think it could never go that way?
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Pregnant and on the street

Postby LTD » Feb 9th, 2018, 10:27 am

so i read the title of this and think man that's not good someone fell on hard times pregnant and is now homeless this is sad, THEN i read the story and wanted to punch this dumb :cuss: in the face i hope she dies on the street stupid :cuss: i feel really sorry for the two kids she has already ruined and the one she will ruin when she gives birth no sympathy here other than for her kids.

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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby GordonH » Feb 9th, 2018, 10:32 am

It's being discuss here, it should be moved to BC thread though.
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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby KiloHotel » Feb 9th, 2018, 10:49 am

JayByrd wrote:
KiloHotel wrote:
This exactly, why should she be allowed to have *bleep* children that will most likely (but hopefully not) grow up to be criminals. That's one thing that bugs me with the whole "Its my body, my decision" bull. In this situation, she should be sterilized. How this is acceptable to people is beyond me.


Which branch of government to you trust enough to give that authority to? And are there any examples elsewhere in the world where forced sterilizations have been of benefit to society?

Hell, let's not limit this to just the most vulnerable. People with criminal backgrounds, people who are poor, people with chronic health issues. If you can't live a healthy, productive lifestyle (the government will determine a definition of "productive") then your kids most likely won't either. Sterilize 'em all I say.

The above is an extreme example, but do you really think it could never go that way?



A very good question, with an answer I think most would agree with.. None. There has been no good examples of such, so fair enough. That isn't a good way to deal with the issue, just because of the slippery slope that comes with it.

But that argument can go both ways, why give the government authority to do anything?

Law abiding citizens will end up paying for this junkie's mistakes. I didn't stick the needle in my arm, why should I pay for someone that did or their mistakes directly related to that decision?

Maybe we should force junkies into treatment, have a dedicated town for them where they still have freedom of movement and all the amenities they need but are segregated from the rest of us until they are proven clean. If they keep relapsing then put them in jail for a couple years, if they relapse again double the time.

Something more has to be done than setting up a mobile safe injection site and giving our first responders naloxone kits so that they can just keep reviving these people every other day. Or giving them a bus ticket to another town as is done in some places.

Drug addiction has been classified as a disability which I find appalling, because it was a choice with clear consequences. The coddling has to stop.

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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby JayByrd » Feb 9th, 2018, 11:12 am

KiloHotel wrote:

Maybe we should force junkies into treatment, have a dedicated town for them where they still have freedom of movement and all the amenities they need but are segregated from the rest of us until they are proven clean. If they keep relapsing then put them in jail for a couple years, if they relapse again double the time.



You might as well force them to get university degrees while you're at it. You can lock someone in a facility, but you can't force them to do the work (and it is work) of recovery. You can't force them to unravel the trauma that's led them to this place in their lives, nor can you force them to solve the mental and emotional issues that cripple their ability to make good, healthy decisions. You can't force someone to believe that their live is worth salvaging. It's possible for addicts to get sober, but the fact of the matter is, no matter how hard society tries, and often no matter how hard the addict tries, they simply don't.

And waitaminute...you're not happy with spending money to revive addicts, but you want to build them a TOWN?
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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby featfan » Feb 9th, 2018, 11:16 am

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2018/02/08/ ... to-family/

Just watched this yesterday.
The video is in 3 parts on the website.
Amazing police officer and his wife.
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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby GordonH » Feb 9th, 2018, 11:18 am

GordonH wrote:Right to Life activists here is someone who could use your help, oops my bad it's more important to protest outside hospitals.


Truth hurts I guess or this is politically incorrect. Either way I'm not deleting it.
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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby KiloHotel » Feb 9th, 2018, 11:19 am

JayByrd wrote:
KiloHotel wrote:

Maybe we should force junkies into treatment, have a dedicated town for them where they still have freedom of movement and all the amenities they need but are segregated from the rest of us until they are proven clean. If they keep relapsing then put them in jail for a couple years, if they relapse again double the time.



You might as well force them to get university degrees while you're at it. You can lock someone in a facility, but you can't force them to do the work (and it is work) of recovery. You can't force them to unravel the trauma that's led them to this place in their lives, nor can you force them to solve the mental and emotional issues that cripple their ability to make good, healthy decisions. You can't force someone to believe that their live is worth salvaging. It's possible for addicts to get sober, but the fact of the matter is, no matter how hard society tries, and often no matter how hard the addict tries, they simply don't.

And waitaminute...you're not happy with spending money to revive addicts, but you want to build them a TOWN?



I'm not happy with the enabling, not the expense.

I think you can, I was a troubled youth that ended up in jail, it saved me from a cocaine addiction and a criminal lifestyle, I'm now an Operations Manager for a company. Granted I wasn't addicted to hard drugs, cause I wasn't stupid enough to do them. Even after losing my mother to brain cancer and being homeless and having my sister taken away by child services because of how bad things got after losing my mom, etc etc.

People need a swift kick in the *bleep* and a dose of reality sometimes to snap out of it. If they can't, keep feeding it to them until they do.

I was around junkies all day long for years and hung out with them and did all sorts of stupid stuff and was offered hard drugs many times but I chose not to take them, even though I had zero self respect and didn't care about my life or future at all at the time.

Maybe what I proposed is a bit extreme, but what we are doing now is far too soft.
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Re: Pregnant and on the street

Postby Verum » Feb 9th, 2018, 11:25 am

JayByrd wrote:...

You might as well force them to get university degrees while you're at it. You can lock someone in a facility, but you can't force them to do the work (and it is work) of recovery. You can't force them to unravel the trauma that's led them to this place in their lives, nor can you force them to solve the mental and emotional issues that cripple their ability to make good, healthy decisions. You can't force someone to believe that their live is worth salvaging. It's possible for addicts to get sober, but the fact of the matter is, no matter how hard society tries, and often no matter how hard the addict tries, they simply don't.

And waitaminute...you're not happy with spending money to revive addicts, but you want to build them a TOWN?

A voluntary version of such a town might actually work. A sort of safe space where they were free from the damage of societies judgemental attitudes, had access to the resources needed to address these issues they have, and access to work and other tools to help give their lives greater meaning and reduce the need to escape it all. It would be expensive, hugely so, but the long term benefits of such a place, the reduction in wasted lives (hugely expensive), the reduction in cost of law enforcement, etc.

Or we could just drop our absurdly judgemental attitudes about drugs and addiction and start providing the needed care in our communities. It would be even more effective. That said, we are judgemental by nature, and decades of anti-drug, anti-addiction rhetoric and resulting attitudes are really hard to undo.
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