Get rid of all the schools

Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Urban Cowboy » Feb 15th, 2018, 4:29 pm

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Old Techie wrote:
Already happening to a degree, due to the political correctness nonsense, and teaching kids that they are all winners, yada yada yada.
Decades back things were much simpler, exams plus your work, were marked, and you either got a passing grade, or a failing grade, which determined if you moved on to the next grade, or stayed put in the same one for another year.

Nowadays it's more of an assembly line, where they get passed on to the next station, regardless of abilities.


I'm sure your speaking from your own firsthand experience in the current school system and not just making stuff up though right?


I don't make stuff up. There's absolutely no need to, given all the legitimate issues out there. I leave that to the NDP supporters given that's what they're best at demonstrating.
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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 15th, 2018, 4:53 pm

Every current school would be a community centre or housing or a fire hall or hospital etc. Parks. U name it. I see quite a bit of upside. The downside is mostly unknown. I agree. With change comes considerable risk. Kids and adults both spend all their time on ipads now a days i think that is the logical tool to deliver education. Better yet use android cuz the tablets are cheaper. Just have an app essentially.

Im not sure how anyone could be against this. It would take a lot of hassle out of peoples lives.

No more school zones. No more bus programs.
No more traffic jams in the mornings.
Kids could if they were mature work ahead. Or spend longer as needed. Parents could be more involved with their kids education.
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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Dizzy1 » Feb 15th, 2018, 9:29 pm

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Hahahahahahahahaha !

Geuss you don't actually have to deal with young people face to face in the real
world, like outside, or in a store, or Resteraunt.

It's painful to watch these people try to function at all, let alone make change.

I think I see a sense of relief flush some faces when going to pay with a card
in the stead of cash.......No math required.

If they closed the schools who would raise the children ?
You can't expect the actual parents to have anything to do
with the little buggers !

And this is why we can't eliminate education ...

Geuss

Resteraunt

I think I see a sense of relief flush some faces when going to pay with a card
in the stead of cash

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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby oneh2obabe » Feb 15th, 2018, 9:40 pm

Eliminate all schools? Who is going to make sure 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10-year olds will go online for their lessons? Who is supposed to look after the young ones while the parent(s) or guardian(s) are at work?
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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Omnitheo » Feb 15th, 2018, 9:44 pm

First of all, as an educator I can assure you there is a fairly large difference between teaching remotely and in person in terms of how well students absorb information.

Secondly, school is not just about teaching "the three r's". Children interact with eachother, learn social skills, meet people and make bonds.

Thirdly, and you're probably not aware of this, but most modern families involve two working parents. This means that you would either need to have a large number of people quit their jobs to stay home to look after their kids, or have a massive number of people scrambling for daycare which is already exorbitantly expensive.
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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Urban Cowboy » Feb 15th, 2018, 10:32 pm

Omnitheo wrote:First of all, as an educator I can assure you there is a fairly large difference between teaching remotely and in person in terms of how well students absorb information.

Secondly, school is not just about teaching "the three r's". Children interact with eachother, learn social skills, meet people and make bonds.

Thirdly, and you're probably not aware of this, but most modern families involve two working parents. This means that you would either need to have a large number of people quit their jobs to stay home to look after their kids, or have a massive number of people scrambling for daycare which is already exorbitantly expensive.


Somehow I don't really view that as a negative.

After all it's been done before, and some might even say with better results.

Just think, no more daycare issues, lower unemployment figures, no school buses needed, no school bullying, and hopefully a better end product of young adults, who were actually raised by family.
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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Verum » Feb 15th, 2018, 10:47 pm

Omnitheo wrote:First of all, as an educator I can assure you there is a fairly large difference between teaching remotely and in person in terms of how well students absorb information.

Secondly, school is not just about teaching "the three r's". Children interact with eachother, learn social skills, meet people and make bonds.

Thirdly, and you're probably not aware of this, but most modern families involve two working parents. This means that you would either need to have a large number of people quit their jobs to stay home to look after their kids, or have a massive number of people scrambling for daycare which is already exorbitantly expensive.

In a past life, I was an educator, and while I largely agree with you in all of the above, I will say that the best course I ever took, from a learning point of view, was entirely online. It was a challenging course, for sure, and it was hard to motivate myself to stay the course (nobody to chastise me for not attending, no qualification at the end and the content wasn't easy), but it was so worth it and parts of it still fizz around my brain from time to time. Honestly, none of my former lecturers delivered such quality content so well and I certainly have never come close as an educator myself. I wish I could have offered such excellence to my students.

That said, I was a mature adult, with a relatively strong degree of self motivation, and the course was by one of the top educators in the field. It taught me what would be possible in schools with a blended learning model, but without teachers, the students would be lost. We have been slow to bring technology into the classroom, but much of that is due to lack of investment and a reluctance to experiment with new ideas and ways of educating. The system is almost designed to punish any teachers and schools who dare to think differently and try out very different approaches. It doesn't give time and space to experiment. It is far easier for a school and teacher to just stick to the curriculum and deliver it the same way, year after year.

This is a worthwhile list of Ted Talks from 2013 for those who are interested in where schooling could go (it includes Khan's talk):
https://www.ted.com/playlists/24/re_imagining_school

I don't agree with some of the content, but it's still intriguing stuff.
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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Verum » Feb 15th, 2018, 10:53 pm

Old Techie wrote:
Omnitheo wrote:First of all, as an educator I can assure you there is a fairly large difference between teaching remotely and in person in terms of how well students absorb information.

Secondly, school is not just about teaching "the three r's". Children interact with eachother, learn social skills, meet people and make bonds.

Thirdly, and you're probably not aware of this, but most modern families involve two working parents. This means that you would either need to have a large number of people quit their jobs to stay home to look after their kids, or have a massive number of people scrambling for daycare which is already exorbitantly expensive.


Somehow I don't really view that as a negative.

After all it's been done before, and some might even say with better results.

Just think, no more daycare issues, lower unemployment figures, no school buses needed, no school bullying, and hopefully a better end product of young adults, who were actually raised by family.

Are you going to pay half my mortgage for me to cover me staying at home to teach my kids?
Are you going to accept the lower productivity and associated higher costs?
etc.

We have a society built on two working parents and most families cannot afford to go back. Our society cannot afford to go back. Schools provide a relatively efficient system, with some major issues and some major benefits (like being educated by someone who understands the material, socialisation of kids, standards of education, etc.)

Thankfully society has progressed from the 1960s, and while we have lost some things, we have gained far more.
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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Urban Cowboy » Feb 15th, 2018, 11:14 pm

^^ I guess so, if "gained far more" means far higher divorce rates, far too many people living well beyond their means, and eight year olds needing cell phones.

BTW there are plenty of people who pay their mortgage with one income.

They just come to the realization that choices regarding priorities must be made.
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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby jimmy4321 » Feb 16th, 2018, 6:56 am

People need to socialize and having a bunch of kids grow up mirroring their parents behavior is bad news, since many parents have things to learn themselves in a changing world.
Kinda like when a dog goes to the park rarely, biggest aholes they don't get along with others.

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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Smurf » Feb 16th, 2018, 7:13 am

I believe this would be a terrible idea.

No socialization which is already becoming a serious problem. You just have to sit in a restaurant for a few minutes and watch how people can't even associate when sitting together.

No gyms for phys-ed basketball, football, etc. Not everyone is ready to play in or afford organized situations. I believe we have enough health problems without making the situation worse.

What about children with learning disabilities?

No labs or shops would be available to students for very valuable parts of their education.

I know it has been mentioned but with both parents working most kids would not have the initiative to learn on their own. Whether we like it or not there are a huge number of families that will never be able get past having both parents work and it is only going to get worse. What about the many single parent families who is going to support them?

What about the families that can't afford the necessary equipment to do the learning on line? Just trying to keep up with the quick changing technology during the education life with a family of four kids would be a nightmare. Imagine the system you would have to have for them all to be learning at the same time.

A system of both on line and teachers would probably work well but as has been mentioned would be expensive to fully integrate and also to keep up with the quickly changing technology.

I simply cannot see this idea ever working at all.
Consider how hard it is to change yourself and you'll understand what little chance you have of changing others.

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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 16th, 2018, 7:45 am

Smurf wrote:I believe this would be a terrible idea.

No socialization which is already becoming a serious problem. You just have to sit in a restaurant for a few minutes and watch how people can't even associate when sitting together.

No gyms for phys-ed basketball, football, etc. Not everyone is ready to play in or afford organized situations. I believe we have enough health problems without making the situation worse.

What about children with learning disabilities?

No labs or shops would be available to students for very valuable parts of their education.

I know it has been mentioned but with both parents working most kids would not have the initiative to learn on their own. Whether we like it or not there are a huge number of families that will never be able get past having both parents work and it is only going to get worse. What about the many single parent families who is going to support them?

What about the families that can't afford the necessary equipment to do the learning on line? Just trying to keep up with the quick changing technology during the education life with a family of four kids would be a nightmare. Imagine the system you would have to have for them all to be learning at the same time.

A system of both on line and teachers would probably work well but as has been mentioned would be expensive to fully integrate and also to keep up with the quickly changing technology.

I simply cannot see this idea ever working at all.


Quite simply. Parents would have to start doing some parenting. It is the single biggest upside to the whole plan.
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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby jimmy4321 » Feb 16th, 2018, 8:43 am

Home life isn't always a good life and sometimes it's really really bad-im sure some kids really look forward to getting out of the house because of it.
I can only imagine how many times school staff get tipped off on serious parenting isues.

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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Sparki55 » Feb 16th, 2018, 8:46 am

The OP cannot be serious, it's the worst educational idea I've ever heard. The constant trolling of 1 line replies confirms this.

Making friends, participating in PE, having mentors besides your parents, teachers who really enjoyed their subject, assemblies, public speaking, presentations, recognition of achievements, the list goes on forever.

If you want to breed a generation of socially awkward idiots in Canada, this is what you would do.

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Re: Get rid of all the schools

Postby Jflem1983 » Feb 16th, 2018, 8:51 am

Sparki55 wrote:The OP cannot be serious, it's the worst educational idea I've ever heard. The constant trolling of 1 line replies confirms this.

Making friends, participating in PE, having mentors besides your parents, teachers who really enjoyed their subject, assemblies, public speaking, presentations, recognition of achievements, the list goes on forever.

If you want to breed a generation of socially awkward idiots in Canada, this is what you would do.


Ummm we have that now
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