B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby CapitalB » Feb 16th, 2018, 11:10 am

B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

The B.C. government will build a new replacement to the Pattullo Bridge, with construction scheduled to begin in the summer of 2019 and completion in 2023.


I like the pedestrian/cyclist lanes on the side. Sounds like a good project.

EDIT: Was originally going to mention that I was curious to see how the extremophiles on this forum would spin this to be a negative mark against the NDP, but figured I'd just let it play out. I must say they did not disappoint, good spin guys ;)
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby The Green Barbarian » Feb 16th, 2018, 11:24 am

Wow, the NDP investing in infrastructure, which is a departure from their 1990's methodology of just letting infrastructure rot and decay while they did unlimited studies and lined the pockets of their sycophants. Though when I read this, I have a few thoughts:
It will also be funded entirely by the provincial government, from a budgeted $14.6 billion capital infrastructure plan scheduled for the next three years.

The provincial government will be solely responsible for the design, building and financing of the bridge, and will have to dispose of the existing bridge, said Horgan.


Thoughts are:

the "province" is funding this, and is solely responsible for all aspects. All I can think this means is that the NDP will hand this entire project off to their union puppet-masters, who well then ensure that this bridge is at least a billion over budget, and a year to two years behind schedule, while they line the pockets of their sycophants.

So prove me wrong Horgan. Actually turn this project over to qualified people who will get it done on time and on budget. I won't hold my breath.
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby CapitalB » Feb 16th, 2018, 11:35 am

The Green Barbarian wrote:
the "province" is funding this, and is solely responsible for all aspects. All I can think this means is that the NDP will hand this entire project off to their union puppet-masters, who well then ensure that this bridge is at least a billion over budget, and a year to two years behind schedule, while they line the pockets of their sycophants.

So prove me wrong Horgan. Actually turn this project over to qualified people who will get it done on time and on budget. I won't hold my breath.


I may have missed a few but I don't think I've ever heard of a government infrastructure project coming in at or under budget except when it comes out later that they either cut serious corners or were lining their pockets.

I think largely thats a problem stemming from choosing contractors based off whoever puts in the lowest bid. Nobody really cares if it goes over budget, except the tax payers.
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby Symbonite » Feb 16th, 2018, 11:50 am

"Replacing the Pattullo Bridge between Surrey and New Westminster will cost $1.37 billion and will be funded solely by the British Columbia government."


HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAA

Thanks NDP...but dont you mean solely funded by the taxpayer.....
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby Hassel99 » Feb 16th, 2018, 12:16 pm

So is this a gift to translink or does the BC government own the bridge and will be responsible for maintenance?

I would have preferred for Translink to pay a portion if they ended up owning the asset.
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby The Green Barbarian » Feb 16th, 2018, 12:27 pm

*removed*
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby CapitalB » Feb 16th, 2018, 12:29 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote: *removed*


*removed*

Also the bennet bridge was 44 million dollars over their original budget.
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby The Green Barbarian » Feb 16th, 2018, 12:37 pm

*removed*

Also the bennet bridge was 44 million dollars over their original budget.


All right, fair enough, it cost $144 million instead of $100 million originally budgeted, and that is unfortunate, I guess. Was it delayed too? My question to Horgan on this then would be - is $1.3 billion enough of a budget for this bridge? Does it factor in all of the time wasting and cost over-runs that generally occur when you hand over projects to big unions to complete?
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby Carrs Landing Viking » Feb 16th, 2018, 1:49 pm

The Pattullo Bridge should have been replaced a couple of decades ago.
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby Urbane » Feb 16th, 2018, 2:00 pm

From Twitter:

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Province takes over 100% of the Pattullo Bridge, a reflection that the NDP has become a very Metro Vancouver-centric party. #bcpoli
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby George+ » Feb 16th, 2018, 2:45 pm

And this will not change until we get Proportional Representation.
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby The Green Barbarian » Feb 16th, 2018, 2:47 pm

Urbane wrote:From Twitter:

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Province takes over 100% of the Pattullo Bridge, a reflection that the NDP has become a very Metro Vancouver-centric party. #bcpoli


and this won't change until the disgusting NDP is disbanded.
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby hobbyguy » Feb 16th, 2018, 3:07 pm

My first point is that this project was already in the works - with funding commitments from the province in place. The Translink portion of the funding was dependent on the bridge tolls for 2/3 of its portion, and as the BC NDP recklessly killed the tolls, it spun out into the overall funding for this project which meant that the province had no choice except to take over the project.

My next point is that unlike the Liberal plan for the Massey replacement, this design does not appear to have dedicated bus lanes. That's just plain dumb.

The BC NDP trying to take credit for this project, is rather disingenuous. It was long in the works and funding models were established before the BC NDP shot themselves in the foot withe their reckless bridge toll abolition.

Plus we KNOW that "congestion" tolls are coming, so why won't those be used to cover part of the cost? Because the BC NDP are paying back long time NDP stalwart the snollygoster demovictions Derek and the bicycle Gregor NDP junior varsity in Vancouver.

Once again, the BC NDP using "other people's money" to reward their own.
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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby gordon_as » Feb 16th, 2018, 3:17 pm

Have to admit , I'm not impressed with the plan. Yes , the old bridge needs to be replaced , but I think the design barely addresses current need + some pedestrian and cycle lanes to make a small portion of the population happy. If you are going to undertake a project of this size , why not make it something that accommodates today's needs while preparing for what transportation will likely look like 20 or 50 years down the road.

As for paying for it , I'm actually in favor of tolls , so that the users pay. Not $3.15 per trip tolls though , that becomes cost prohibitive to many people who have to get to work. Port Mann Bridge traffic went up by 25 - 35 % daily when the toll was removed. All of those cars had been driving through Surrey / Delta / New Westminster , causing congestion all the way and burning extra fuel just to avoid the expensive toll. $1 per trip would bring in close to $100,000 per day on just the Pattullo bridge. Add that same $1 toll to the Port Mann , and the Alex Fraser , and these expensive pieces of infrastructure start becoming less of a burden on the rest of the province. The people who would *bleep* the loudest about any toll , probably have a $3 cup of coffee in the center console. A small toll would not be a huge hardship for most , and could lead to increased usage of mass transit.

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Re: B.C. government to build replacement for Pattullo Bridge

Postby CapitalB » Feb 16th, 2018, 3:23 pm

gordon_as wrote:Have to admit , I'm not impressed with the plan. Yes , the old bridge needs to be replaced , but I think the design barely addresses current need + some pedestrian and cycle lanes to make a small portion of the population happy. If you are going to undertake a project of this size , why not make it something that accommodates today's needs while preparing for what transportation will likely look like 20 or 50 years down the road.

As for paying for it , I'm actually in favor of tolls , so that the users pay. Not $3.15 per trip tolls though , that becomes cost prohibitive to many people who have to get to work. Port Mann Bridge traffic went up by 25 - 35 % daily when the toll was removed. All of those cars had been driving through Surrey / Delta / New Westminster , causing congestion all the way and burning extra fuel just to avoid the expensive toll. $1 per trip would bring in close to $100,000 per day on just the Pattullo bridge. Add that same $1 toll to the Port Mann , and the Alex Fraser , and these expensive pieces of infrastructure start becoming less of a burden on the rest of the province. The people who would *bleep* the loudest about any toll , probably have a $3 cup of coffee in the center console. A small toll would not be a huge hardship for most , and could lead to increased usage of mass transit.

This is the Castanet Forums , so I fully expect to get roasted for offering my personal opinion . Keeping on topic would be a pleasant change though.


They did mention that they don't expect the traffic needs of that bridge to increase enough to require the extra lanes but followed up by saying they were prepared to expand it to six lanes if necessary.

Other than those I like what your selling. When are you going to put out your political platform?
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