Horgan approval rating

[burnedatstake]

It doesn't help that Horgan doesn't have enough sense to realize that him going to speak at the BCTF AGM is a conflict of interest, and really dumb thing to do in terms of contract negotiation. No private sector executive/manager would be dumb enough to that, and if they did, they would likely get fired.

I am actually shocked that the press has been as muted as it has been on this faux pas. Horgan's attendance at a Union Annual General Meeting of the BCTF IMO goes beyond conflict of interest. It smacks of collusion.

how on earth is going to a union meeting any more nefarious than collusion of liberal politicians with business insiders and lobbyists? or wining and dining lng insiders? or seemingly doing the will of the chamber of commerce? the hysteria regarding union support by the ndp is the height of sanctimony and hypocrisy.

[The Green Barbarian]

I am actually shocked that the press has been as muted as it has been on this faux pas. Horgan's attendance at a Union Annual General Meeting of the BCTF IMO goes beyond conflict of interest. It smacks of collusion.

yes it's totally disgusting. I smell another disgusting back-room deal coming, any day now.

[The Green Barbarian]

how on earth is going to a union meeting any more nefarious than collusion of liberal politicians with business insiders and lobbyists?

If there is any "collusion", which is a word leftists just pull out of their butts to hide that they don't have a clue about how the real world works, then it is really really bad. Just like it was really really bad for Clark and Dix to do that disgusting back-room deal with the BCTF. Horgan is really taking this party back to the dark days of the 1990's, and it really really sucks for BC.

the hysteria regarding union support by the ndp is the height of sanctimony and hypocrisy.

No, it's well-founded suspicion based on past collusion and back-room deals between unions and the NDP. These are supposed to be elected officials looking out for the best interests of the voters and tax payers, not just puppets to be utilized by evil unions to access the public treasury like it's their personal cash box.

[hobbyguy]

Unlike the dippers, I said that Horgan is in conflict of interest and being really dumb by going to the BCTF AGM.

It is a really stupid move.

Anyone who is not a diehard dipper will see the conflict of interest. That's strike 1.
Anyone who knows anything about contract negotiations knows you don't do that. That's strike 2.
Any deal that is reached will obviously be tainted by the appearance of collusion (whether or not any took place). That's strike 3.

Plus more than likely, the BCTF lunatics will stab Horgan in the back - that's just what they do. Then he is stuck with bad optics, non dippers annoyed with him, and no deal to boot.

The BCTF is run by a bunch of anarchist lunatics who have never negotiated in good faith. Horgan is a fool if he thinks he can schmooze them, they don't do anything in good faith: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Timeline+long+troubled+bargaining+history+teachers+provincial+government/9864912/story.html

That tells the whole sordid story of the BCTF anarchist political party that masquerades as a union.

[burnedatstake]

meh. the only crybabies there are about union support are the liberals and their cheerleader/bullies. they see nothing wrong with business interference when it comes to politics and taxpayers. even act like there is nothing to see if businesses thrive and break profit records from government policies. and then they cry bloody murder if leaders are seen with unions. the double standard is frightening.

[Snman]

Anyone who is oblivious to the NDP/Union connection has to be a complete imbecile, imho.

[burnedatstake]

Anyone who is oblivious to the NDP/Union connection has to be a complete imbecile, imho.

of course there is a union connection. the party supports labor and unions. there is nothing nefarious about that. when people say other people cant "see" that - "they" are the imbeciles. those who support the ndp - also support their stand for labor and unions. they support that with a clear and present understanding of that worthwhile party philosophy.

[Urban Cowboy]

Anyone who is oblivious to the NDP/Union connection has to be a complete imbecile, imho.

of course there is a union connection. the party supports labor and unions. there is nothing nefarious about that. when people say other people cant "see" that - "they" are the imbeciles. those who support the ndp - also support their stand for labor and unions. they support that with a clear and present understanding of that worthwhile party philosophy.

Too bad they don't understand the blatant conflict of interest in place, when public sector unions are in negotiation with officials they put in place. This does a disservice to the larger majority of voters who have to pay for agreements made, and whom government is supposed to represent.

It's already been pointed out, how absolutely wrong it is, for Horgan to be attending an annual general meeting with a public sector union he's about to enter into negotiations with, yet he does it anyway.

It is far less wrong to be supported by unions in general, ones where government plays no role in negotiations. It's this control that the BCTF wields over the voters of BC that is blatantly unacceptable.

[Drip_Torch]

Anyone who is oblivious to the NDP/Union connection has to be a complete imbecile, imho.

Yes, truer words have never been spoken. I'll leave you to think about that.

[hobbyguy]

Anyone who is oblivious to the NDP/Union connection has to be a complete imbecile, imho.

Yes, truer words have never been spoken. I'll leave you to think about that.

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Now that is dwelling in the past. Last time I looked, it is 2018, not 1918...

You guys obviously have little clue about proper employer/union relationships.

Good unions don't negotiate in public, and neither do good employers. They retain a respectful partnership. A real union like the machinists union knows how to do that, Steelworkers too. Dealt with both of them, and always managed to find the win-win.

Not the BCTF, and obviously not Horgan. They are all about appearances, and not a shred of substance.

[Drip_Torch]

Now that is dwelling in the past. Last time I looked, it is 2018, not 1918...

Hey, what can I say.

I'm not one of these tied to my GPS, selfie-taking quick talkers. I subscribe to the old school of orienteering and that means to have some idea of where we are, I need to have some idea of where we came from.

[burnedatstake]

Too bad they don't understand the blatant conflict of interest in place, when public sector unions are in negotiation with officials they put in place. This does a disservice to the larger majority of voters who have to pay for agreements made, and whom government is supposed to represent.

It's already been pointed out, how absolutely wrong it is, for Horgan to be attending an annual general meeting with a public sector union he's about to enter into negotiations with, yet he does it anyway.

It is far less wrong to be supported by unions in general, ones where government plays no role in negotiations. It's this control that the BCTF wields over the voters of BC that is blatantly unacceptable.

what exactly are the levels of hell in regards to blatant conflict of interest? what level of hell was it that the bc liberal government was going to sell our LNG resources down the river for peanuts? why? just so that another private entity would have the kahunas to make the cash investment in that folly? how blatant of an act of collusion and conflict of interest is it that our former government would sell BC resources down the river to a state run conglomerate in another country? for pennies on the dollar? i am amazed how blind "business as usual" idol worshiping fools are. at least unions and members contribute to their communities HERE IN BC. not offshore. and the cost of unions would never ever eclipse the amounts that we paid extra for projects by private businesses. and all that money would again be HERE IN BC. not in an offshore account. or funneled back into liberal donations. i feel like i am in crazy town sometimes listening to the lunatics.

[The Green Barbarian]

i feel like i am in crazy town sometimes listening to the lunatics.

now you know how all of us feel. Instead of blathering on about Liberal stuff, and perceived nonsensical transgressions, how about discuss the actual topic. Why are you ok with our premier attending a disgusting BCTF event? How do just forgive such a flagrant conflict? Are you able to do it without bringing up the Liberals? I would like to see you try.

[The Green Barbarian]

of course there is a union connection. the party supports labor and unions. there is nothing nefarious about that.

yes there is, because it's not about support, it's about control. The Unions control the NDP, and right now, that means our government. And that means another sleazy back-room deal that is going to cost the taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, just like those two boneheads, Clark and Dix, did to all of us in 1998. Just awful. The NDP is a disease.

[burnedatstake]

of course there is a union connection. the party supports labor and unions. there is nothing nefarious about that.

yes there is, because it's not about support, it's about control. The Unions control the NDP, and right now, that means our government. And that means another sleazy back-room deal that is going to cost the taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, just like those two boneheads, Clark and Dix, did to all of us in 1998. Just awful. The NDP is a disease.

what are you "sky is falling" about?? and for years and years the business community and chamber of commerce has been "controlling" right wing governments and blocking minimum wage increases. why is it with you the control issue is one sided? its silly.