B.C NDP wasting more of our Tax dollars.

[butcher99]

Why don't the right wingers get it? Companies and employers DO NOT CREATE JOBS!!

Customers do.

If it weren't for people who have money in their pockets to spend on their products, they would rapidly go bankrupt. To have money in their pockets, people need to have decent wages, benefits so they HAVE extra money to spend.

Sheesh - is that so difficult for right wingers to understand?

CUSTOMERS WITH A JOB AND MONEY TO SPEND ?

but the customers do not get that money without a job. If they have a job and business gets more tax breaks that does not produce more customers. It produces profit for the company which over and over has been shown to not go to the employees.

[The Green Barbarian]

It produces profit for the company which over and over has been shown to not go to the employees.

And pray tell Karl Marx, why should the profit go to the employees? Do they not earn a wage already?

[Veovis]

It produces profit for the company which over and over has been shown to not go to the employees.

And pray tell Karl Marx, why should the profit go to the employees? Do they not earn a wage already?

Because it is very easy to self-righteously give away other people money in theory to pretend to be morally superior to others for that warm fuzzy feeling.

[CapitalB]

It produces profit for the company which over and over has been shown to not go to the employees.

And pray tell Karl Marx, why should the profit go to the employees? Do they not earn a wage already?

I'm going to rephrase that for butcher. Increased profits have been shown by years and years of data to have no effect on wages over a 40 year period. This is evidenced by wages stagnating behind inflation rates since the 70s, while profits for the companies have shot up and up, wages as a percentage of profits have gone nowhere but down. Basically unless you force companies to pay their workers better they will always pay the bare minimum that they can get away with. By and large employees don't have a way to counter that.

[The Green Barbarian]

Increased profits have been shown by years and years of data to have no effect on wages over a 40 year period.

Do you have any proof of this, other than linking to leftist fake news "think tanks"? Otherwise this is just nonsensical blather and evil propaganda being perpetrated by idiots.

Basically unless you force companies to pay their workers better they will always pay the bare minimum that they can get away with.

Pure communist garbage. Shame on you.

[CapitalB]

Global News - Average hourly wages in Canada have barely budged in 40 years

How about that one.

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The Globe and Mail - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report- ... e19630636/

MORE EDITS:

An OECD Study on income as a percentage of GDP. TLDR Going down down down.

Desjardins study showing that canadian wages have actually been contracting in recent years.

[The Green Barbarian]

Global News - Average hourly wages in Canada have barely budged in 40 years

How about that one.

what about it? What is your point? It appears that you are advocating for some sort of government control here (communism), which is just disgusting.

[CapitalB]

Government regulation isn't communism. GB you have literally no idea what communism is. Words have meaning you cant just shove them in a sentence where they don't fit.

Edit: Somebody is a prolific goal changer.

Do you have any proof of this, other than linking to leftist fake news "think tanks"? Otherwise this is just nonsensical blather and evil propaganda being perpetrated by idiots.

I provide a mountain of proof.

what about it? What is your point? It appears that you are advocating for some sort of government control here (communism), which is just disgusting.

What is my point indeed GB. What is your point? You ask for proof then act confused about it after. Did you forget asking for it?

[The Green Barbarian]

I provide a mountain of proof.

I honestly don't know what your point is here. Wages haven't changed since the 1970's? That makes no sense. Of course they have. This isn't even a discussion point. I also don't know what your argument is exactly. Wages should be higher? Why? That makes no sense either. Your "mountain of proof" is a mountain of what the hell are you talking about?

[alanjh595]

Sounds more like Socialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

[burnedatstake]

I provide a mountain of proof.

I honestly don't know what your point is here. Wages haven't changed since the 1970's? That makes no sense. Of course they have. This isn't even a discussion point. I also don't know what your argument is exactly. Wages should be higher? Why? That makes no sense either. Your "mountain of proof" is a mountain of what the hell are you talking about?

in the end this is an illustration of leading a horse to water and he wont drink. misrepresenting what communism is - is childish. that is as bad as other people saying that what businesses are doing - is fascist because it serves the ayn rand right wing agenda. but people havent done that. they dont swing the pendulum to the extreme just to shrug off common sense points.

in the end the only form of communist socialism is what the businesses have crafted through systematic meddling in politics and with politicians. they pay workers less AND leech off the government. having cake and eating it too. yet - if unions do similar things people go apoplectic and throw out innuendoes about "back room deals". when the business community does this all the time. its unfortunate.

[The Green Barbarian]

throw out innuendoes about "back room deals". .

hey, if you honestly are trying to defend the deal Dix and Clark did with the BCTF in 1998, then you sir are truly delusional.

[Urban Cowboy]

throw out innuendoes about "back room deals". .

hey, if you honestly are trying to defend the deal Dix and Clark did with the BCTF in 1998, then you sir are truly delusional.

That became apparent many many pages back.

[hobbyguy]

The real wages versus productivity disparity is real conundrum. I have not seen an answer from the far left nor the far right, just locked in positions.

This study gives a pretty much non partisan view of the intractability of the issue: http://www.csls.ca/reports/csls2016-15.pdf

I must admit that I have no clear answer to the issue. The middle class is being hollowed out, and it was one thing that I gave the BC LIberals credit for, the middle class incomes were the highest grow rate job sector during their tenure - but still too low a rate to resolve the issues.

[mikest2]

I honestly don't know what your point is here. Wages haven't changed since the 1970's? That makes no sense. Of course they have. This isn't even a discussion point. I also don't know what your argument is exactly. Wages should be higher? Why? That makes no sense either. Your "mountain of proof" is a mountain of what the hell are you talking about?

in the end this is an illustration of leading a horse to water and he wont drink. misrepresenting what communism is - is childish. that is as bad as other people saying that what businesses are doing - is fascist because it serves the ayn rand right wing agenda. but people havent done that. they dont swing the pendulum to the extreme just to shrug off common sense points.
in the end the only form of communist socialism is what the businesses have crafted through systematic meddling in politics and with politicians. they pay workers less AND leech off the government. having cake and eating it too. yet - if unions do similar things people go apoplectic and throw out innuendoes about "back room deals". when the business community does this all the time. its unfortunate.[/quote]

You are dead right, this government, because they have no plan or direction, can only be described or labelled as Stupid (with a capital S)