Alberta legislation unconstitutional?

[Cactusflower]

*removed*

[Hurtlander]

As a final note, there was a spill today in Zama so I can understand the scepticism on the BC Government's part regarding guarantees of support.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4147946/para ... n-alberta/

That’s less oil than three rail tanker cars carry, just imagine a derailment of 100 tanker cars ending up in the Athabasca, or the Thompson or the Fraser at some point between Edmonton and the sea port. It’s not if a derailment will happen, but when.

[Snowbound]

If they want to shut off the taps, it can be done legally in many ways.

A month long maintenance inspection should about do it.....this is important in measuring the steel wall thickness for corrosion and is a routine part of operating a pipeline.

They will hold off until the refiners find alternate contracts for their products. Much of that refined product is shipped by rail or truck anyways. Lots of markets in the east that will take it. The tracks still run east to Toronto as far as I know.

[Hurtlander]

If they want to shut off the taps, it can be done legally in many ways.

A month long maintenance inspection should about do it.....this is important in measuring the steel wall thickness for corrosion and is a routine part of operating a pipeline.

They will hold off until the refiners find alternate contracts for their products. Much of that refined product is shipped by rail or truck anyways. Lots of markets in the east that will take it. The tracks still run east to Toronto as far as I know.

Nice idea, but.....Kinder Morgan runs smart pigs through their pipeline on a regular basis that both cleans the pipe between flowing different products, and also inspects the overall pipe integrity.

[Jflem1983]

If they want to shut off the taps, it can be done legally in many ways.

A month long maintenance inspection should about do it.....this is important in measuring the steel wall thickness for corrosion and is a routine part of operating a pipeline.

They will hold off until the refiners find alternate contracts for their products. Much of that refined product is shipped by rail or truck anyways. Lots of markets in the east that will take it. The tracks still run east to Toronto as far as I know.

Nice idea, but.....Kinder Morgan runs smart pigs through their pipeline on a regular basis that both cleans the pipe between flowing different products, and also inspects the overall pipe integrity.

So maybe a pig gets stuck. Could take weeks

[bob vernon]

It could be legal. If they cut the supply of oil to all the provinces. And this is the likely route that Alberta will take. Make the entire country suffer and focus all the blame on BC. This is no bluff. BigOil might suffer a drop in earnings for a month or two, but eventually, public opinion will come into line behind Justin and leftist BC will eventually just cave. Justin will enter the election campaign on a wave of public support as he ushers in a new era of Canadian prosperity. BC can sulk while the rest of Canada celebrates.

Maybe it's good timing that the legalization of weed coincides with all this. Rach will celebrate with a big one by the barbecue pit. Horgan will need one to ease the pain.

[alanjh595]

Nice idea, but.....Kinder Morgan runs smart pigs through their pipeline on a regular basis that both cleans the pipe between flowing different products, and also inspects the overall pipe integrity.

I understand the term of "Smart Pigs" (it is not a derogatory term) for those that might be offended.....BUT.....how much of a test discrepancy does it take to initiate a shut-down and hands-on/personal inspection of that piece of pipe?
That discrepancy could be initiated by a paperwork/math error.
The investigation could take months to complete, in the name of safety.

[Jhunter199]

So if Alberta can pass a bill and so easily limit "the flow" of oil out of Alberta, what's to stop BC from passing a bill that will "limit the flow" of oil through the pipeline once it crosses in to BC after it's built?

If Alberta has already "limited" the flow, or shut it off, what exactly would BC limit?

[hobbyguy]

So if Alberta can pass a bill and so easily limit "the flow" of oil out of Alberta, what's to stop BC from passing a bill that will "limit the flow" of oil through the pipeline once it crosses in to BC after it's built?

If Alberta has already "limited" the flow, or shut it off, what exactly would BC limit?

A province having a compunction to exploit a resource within their jurisdiction for use in another is not in the constitution. (The way that Pierre Trudeau compelled Alberta to supply eastern Canada in past was by blocking export permits, a tool the federal government, wrapped in NAFTA complexities, does not really have anymore. By blocking export permits, Pierre basically said, you either supply eastern Canada, or no one.)

A province having a compunction to allow the free transportation of goods through a province for use outside of that province is in the constitution.

See section 121 of the constitution and the Gold Seal decision of 1921. This old ground, and well established.

BC may add taxes to say, dilbit, used within BC, but has no jurisdiction beyond that.

[Cactusflower]

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/memo-to- ... et-a-grip/
Don't want to discuss the bitumen railway? Then how about this?

[Snman]

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/memo-to-alberta-get-a-grip/
Don't want to discuss the bitumen railway? Then how about this?

When I got here ("...John Horgan isn’t helping. But, guess what? He campaigned on an anti-pipeline platform and got elected.") I quit reading because it gives the impression, to those who may not know better, that he was elected Premier of BC.

[seewood]

^^^^ Spot on. I did exactly the same. I thought authors would fact check before sending an essay to print.

[Cactusflower]

http://www.macleans.ca/opinion/memo-to-alberta-get-a-grip/
Don't want to discuss the bitumen railway? Then how about this?

When I got here ("...John Horgan isn’t helping. But, guess what? He campaigned on an anti-pipeline platform and got elected.") I quit reading because it gives the impression, to those who may not know better, that he was elected Premier of BC.

Oh, he WAS elected, my friend, and the sooner you and the other deniers on this these forums accept it, the better off B.C. will be. I take it you were so incensed by that line in the article that you didn't read any further. Do yourself a favour and read the whole thing. You might actually learn something important.

[seewood]

Oh, he WAS elected,

As the representative for Langford Juan de Fuca. That I'll give you. Elected as premier of BC. nope, the NDP lost again.

[Cactusflower]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_C ... tion,_2017

This is the correct account of what happened in the 2017 B.C. provincial election. Read it and weep. The BC Liberals were not elected because they didn't have the required number of seats under the present FPTP electoral system. They will likely never be elected again because there are enough voters in B.C. who are not happy with the way they mismanaged B.C.'s finances over their 16 years in power. That's the short version. Do you want the long version?