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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby econovan64 » May 7th, 2012, 1:09 pm

The plot sickens

Mathews also interviewed Chris Crawford, a worker on the Guelph campaign who now serves a director of parliamentary affairs to Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Peter Penashue.

Crawford told Mathews that, while in Burke’s campaign office, he had heard Sona speaking to campaign manager Ken Morgan about “how Americans do politics.” The conversation referred to calling non-supporters late at night, pretending to be Liberals, or calling electors to tell them their polling stations had moved.


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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby The Green Barbarian » May 7th, 2012, 1:17 pm

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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby SurplusElect » Nov 19th, 2012, 7:52 pm

Robocalls complaints came 3 days before 2011 election.
Elections Canada emails show officials went to Conservative Party about complaints.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... calls.html

Elections Canada officials scrambled to correct apparent misinformation going to voters through robocalls in the three days leading up to the May 2, 2011, federal election, newly released emails show.

At 4:05 p.m. ET, another lawyer for Elections Canada sent an email to the Conservative Party's lawyer detailing the calls that had gone to voters in:

Avalon, N.L.
West Nova, N.S.
Cardigan, P.E.I.
Ontario ridings of Ajax-Pickering, Halton, Kingston and the Islands, Kitchener-Conestoga, and Vaughan.
Manitoba ridings of Kildonan-St. Paul, Saint-Boniface and Winnipeg Centre.

"These calls are continuing and the frequency of calls seems to be increasing," Karen McNeil wrote to the Conservative Party.

She also included a list of the phone numbers that voters had reported. An hour later, Elections Canada got their first report from British Columbia about calls allegedly redirecting voters in Prince George-Peace River. In another email, McNeil told Hawdur that she'd tried two of the numbers. One "sounds legitimately like the Conservative Party of Canada. The other message is more generic; it could be anyone's voicemail message... It's also not in English and French."

The first report from Guelph, Ont., the riding at the centre of allegations about misleading robocalls, came in at 10:41 a.m. on election day. Conservative officials say what happened in Guelph was an isolated case of a rogue campaign and that they are co-operating with the agency in its investigation into the riding.

"We received seven calls from [returning officers] just this morning," Hawdur wrote in an email. Another official responded to ask whether the calls were from across the country. "We just got a call from a [field liaison officer] in for Guelph, saying that they were being hit "badly," Natalie Babin-Dufresne wrote. Hawdur replied that it was right across the country, except in Saskatchewan. "It appears it is getting worse. Some [returning officers] reported that the calls are allegedly identifying Elections Canada," she wrote.
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The Conservatives blatantly lied to Canadians, saying the Guelph riding robocalls was a "iscolated" issue - considering the Conservatives were emailing back and forth to elections Canada 3 days before the election about riding's across Canada where Robocalls were taking place.

The election/majority was won by a matter of a few hundred votes spread over a few riding's across Canada.

Clearly when facts like these come to light, combined with a pattern of behavior ( http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundl ... -1108.html, http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... d-out.html) of electoral fraud it isn't "out there" to suggest the election was rigged and the current government is illegitimate.

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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby GrooveTunes » Nov 20th, 2012, 8:52 am

Yes it's time for a roundup of these liars and lock them up. Unfortunately, public hangings are no longer allowed.
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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby GrooveTunes » Nov 20th, 2012, 11:00 am

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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby SurplusElect » Nov 30th, 2012, 12:19 pm

Elections Canada investigates call complaints in 56 ridings Robocalls, live calls lead to cross-Canada investigation over allegations of voter suppression

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... anada.html

Elections Canada investigators are tracking complaints of misleading or harassing phone calls in 56 ridings during the 2011 federal election campaign, newly released court documents show. The documents show exactly how widespread the investigation has become since it was first revealed that the election agency was looking into allegations of misleading phone calls in Guelph, Ont.


It's pretty clear now this wasn't just a "campaign employee" in Guelph being enthusiastic as was once suggested.
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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby SurplusElect » Mar 27th, 2013, 6:47 pm

New report came out today by Canada's chief electoral officer about the last election.

"247 out of 308 riding's - 80% of the country - people complained about some kind of deceptive phone call. Either misdirection of voter station or late night opposite party harassment calls"

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2362191169/

Seems elections Canada also knows of people that have key information but are not co-operating because they do not have to legally, and the lead Elections Canada investigator has no real legal powers - it's a joke.

Surely these "people with key information who are noy cooperating" are Conservatives or tied to the party as they are the one being investigated and were being investigated during and a few nights before the federal election about robocalls. That is in direct conflict with the governments statements that they are fully cooperating with Elections Canada.

Repressed vote election majority. Stinky beyond stink.
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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby logicalview » Mar 28th, 2013, 5:44 pm

SurplusElect wrote:New report came out today by Canada's chief electoral officer about the last election.

"247 out of 308 riding's - 80% of the country - people complained about some kind of deceptive phone call. Either misdirection of voter station or late night opposite party harassment calls"

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2362191169/

Seems elections Canada also knows of people that have key information but are not co-operating because they do not have to legally, and the lead Elections Canada investigator has no real legal powers - it's a joke.

Surely these "people with key information who are noy cooperating" are Conservatives or tied to the party as they are the one being investigated and were being investigated during and a few nights before the federal election about robocalls. That is in direct conflict with the governments statements that they are fully cooperating with Elections Canada.

Repressed vote election majority. Stinky beyond stink.


I do like your spin that it was just the Conservatives making calls. I received calls from all three parties. It's a way of campaigning. If one party is "stinky beyond stink" then they all are. So what if people received phone calls? This is just sour grapes in my opinion. You lost the election. Your party, be it the Liberals or the NDP, or shudder, the Greens, had and continue to have bad policies that most people think are horrible and therefore not worthy of a vote. Instead of crying because people received phone calls during the election, work on your policies and make them more attractive to the voting public. That's how it works. Crying and whining make an already pathetic opposition look beyond pathetic.
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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby SurplusElect » May 24th, 2013, 7:36 pm

On Thursday, Judge Richard Mosley ruled that electoral fraud took place not just in the six ridings named in the case, but across the country. He also found that whoever committed the fraud had access to the Conservative Party's CIMS database, an exhaustive list of information on voters that includes names, phone numbers and voting preference.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... calls.html

This entire country needs to hang their head in shame. What a nice week for democracy and the rule of law in Canada. What a joke.

The Council of Canadians is calling on the Conservative Party to make a list of everyone who had access to its electoral database during the last federal election and turn the information over to the RCMP and the commissioner of elections. "Anything less at this point would be a coverup,"


Jean-Pierre Kingsley, who ran Elections Canada for 17 years, said in an interview that the court's finding of fraud is extremely serious. "It behooves us to find out what happened. We cannot be still," he said
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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby Donald G » May 30th, 2013, 9:30 am

I think there is more of a "leap of faith" required to believe some of the information inherent in various comments then is required to accept the dogma associated to many religions.
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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby SurplusElect » May 31st, 2013, 6:39 am

Indeed.

- CPC database, calling non CPC voters, telling them to go to the wrong polling stations across Canada.
- CPC fights investigation tooth and nail, other parties give up all information without resistance.
- Judge concludes that he can't prove it was the CPC, but it had to have happened with the CPC database, passwords, orders and money.

...but it wasnt the CPC.

It must have been a rouge faction of disenfranchised ex-Shrine circus clowns, looking to disrupt the non-conservative vote.

Oh, and the earth is 6000 years old.

Best part about those two statements is many people in the CPC would believe them both.
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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby albertabound » May 31st, 2013, 7:12 am

NDP was charged lib. mp charged, they all were to blame, move on.
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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby Glacier » Apr 26th, 2014, 5:41 pm

SurplusElect wrote:Indeed.

- CPC database, calling non CPC voters, telling them to go to the wrong polling stations across Canada.

More like a single riding... http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/3508 ... 4392446001
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Re: CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

Postby hobbyguy » Apr 27th, 2014, 9:10 am

Nope. Pretty widespread. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/04/24/canadas_elections_commissioner_halting_robocalls_probe.html#

"Côté said investigators were stymied by an inability to compel the production of documents and timely testimony, by inconsistent record-keeping of political telemarketing companies and telephone servers, as well as by technological hurdles with political parties using voice-over-Internet services that make it impossible to track calls to their original source."

"But Côté’s probe found only the Conservative party made calls giving polling station locations despite the party’s admission it knew locations could change, and Elections Canada’s clear warning not to do so."

"retired Supreme Court of Canada judge and former prosecutor Louise Charron.

She said there is “no question” some inappropriate calls were made to electors, and that some were “indeed misdirected . . . . However, giving incorrect or false information does not constitute an offence.”

So yup, Harper and his wrecking crew were indeed guilty. They may be unethical con men, but they aren't stupid. Covered their tracks very well. Walked the legal line very well. kept schtum.
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