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Chinese miners charged up to $16,000 for Canadian jobs

Postby grammafreddy » Dec 12th, 2012, 10:57 am

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners ... 26608.html

Chinese miners asked to pay for Canadian jobs
CBC – Mon, 10 Dec, 2012
CBC's Adrienne Arsenault takes a closer look at Chinese agencies who are recruiting workers for Canadian …

Labour brokers may be charging Chinese miners up to $16,000 for the chance to work in Canadian mines as temporary foreign workers, a CBC investigation has found.

The National visited a prominent recruitment agency in Beijing carrying hidden cameras. Investigators posing as miners learned that workers with minimal mining experience are being offered positions in Canadian gold, copper and potash mines.

Recruiters said that, once working in Canada, miners would be paid no less than $10 per hour. Permanent workers in Canada’s underground and surface mines are paid on average $25 to $30 per hour.

Investigators also learned that workers are asked to pay a deposit of several thousand dollars to secure a spot in a Canadian mine. The agency said that the remainder of the $16,000 fee is taken directly from the miner’s paycheque until paid in full.

The recruiters claim that the deduction occurs with the knowledge of the employer, although the agency provided no proof that it was acting on behalf of a specific company or business.

In Canada, it is illegal for employers to charge recruitment fees to temporary foreign workers.

In a written statement to the CBC News, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada explained that "an employer who has requested the services of a recruiter is required to cover all recruitment costs related to the hiring of the temporary foreign worker."

Unscrupulous recruitment agencies have long been one of the most serious issues surrounding the much-criticized foreign workers program, says MP Olivia Chow.

In 2009, as part of a standing committee on citizenship and immigration, Chow co-authored reports that made recommendations as to how Ottawa could better protect a swelling temporary workforce.

There are currently over 300,000 temporary foreign workers in the country, a number that has almost tripled since 2002, according to Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Other, more inclusive CIC figures, show that the number of temporary foreign workers in Canada grew from 186,753 in 2001 to 446,847 in 2011.

The province of Manitoba, which employs 1.6 per cent of the temporary foreign workers in the country, has enacted comprehensive legislation to try to protect its temporary labour force, including fines for inadequate pay and poor working conditions.

A recent change to the federal program has shortened the amount of time it takes to approve foreign temporary visas.

That change was welcomed by British Columbia Construction Association president Manley McLachlan, who sees an immediate skills shortage in a province with an aging population, $240 billion in new construction projects, and low unemployment.

"We need those workers to build the mines and the malls and any other facility so that the folks who are here in Canada have jobs going forward," says McLachlan.

But a program so valued by Canadian business does not adequately protect the welfare of workers, worries Chow.

Her concerns are echoed by Karl Flecker, the director of human rights at the Canadian Labour Congress.

“I would describe the temporary foreign workers program as a corporate-driven public policy,” Flecker says. “They are working hand and foot with employers to be able to exploit people.”

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney dismisses many of the criticisms as myths perpetuated by big labour unions.

In reality, the federal program is one that Canadians should feel proud of, he told CBC News.

“What I have found is people are very happy to have the opportunity to make very decent money in Canada and very happy with the fact that the vast majority of Canadian employers are good, honest and decent people.”

But labour activists such as Flecker remain unconvinced.

"We have this long history of importing others for deadly and dangerous dirty work for someone else’s profit and I think that most Canadians recognize it’s an ugly part of our history," says Flecker. "We don’t want to repeat that.”


The video at the link is interesting - and quite disgusting. I don't know how we can go about stopping this but it sure does concern me that our federal government is going this route of selling off our natural resources without Canadian control.

This does not bode well for Canada's future.

It makes me question just what is the hold China has over our politicians and government? Are we caught with China holding too much of our debt and have no recourse and no ability to now say "No" to them? IMO no sane and competent government would do this sell-off of their country's resources and not retain very tight controls over all aspects of it without some larger reason behind it.

Something just isn't right with this whole scene.

"We need those workers to build the mines and the malls and any other facility so that the folks who are here in Canada have jobs going forward," says McLachlan.


Why does it not occur to them that Canadians could be building those "mines and malls and any other facilities" and those ARE Canadian jobs - not just the end jobs after they are built by temporary foreigners. We should be protecting ALL Canadian jobs - and training and using Canadians to do the work and fill the jobs first.

Are there no Canadian mining companies left now? Why are they not the ones to be building these mines? If China got any concessions or favouritism, were those same concessions offered to the Canadian companies?
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Re: Chinese miners CHARGED up to $16,000 for Canadian jobs

Postby ukcanuck » Dec 12th, 2012, 11:35 am

grammafreddy wrote:http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners-asked-pay-can a that.”


The video at the link is interesting - and quite disgusting. I don't know how we can go about stopping this but it sure does concern me that our federal government is going this route of selling off our natural resources without Canadian control.

This does not bode well for Canada's future.

It makes me question just what is the hold China has over our politicians and government? Are we caught with China holding too much of our debt and have no recourse and no ability to now say "No" to them? IMO no sane and competent government would do this sell-off of their country's resources and not retain very tight controls over all aspects of it without some larger reason behind it.

Something just isn't right with this whole scene.

Why does it not occur to them that Canadians could be building those "mines and malls and any other facilities" and those ARE Canadian jobs - not just the end jobs after they are built by temporary foreigners. We should be protecting ALL Canadian jobs - and training and using Canadians to do the work and fill the jobs first.

Are there no Canadian mining companies left now? Why are they not the ones to be building these mines? If China got any concessions or favouritism, were those same concessions offered to the Canadian companies?


It's pretty simple, mining companies and construction companies and oil and gas companies make more profits with foreign labour and more profits means higher dividends and stick prices for the wealthy, who by and large are the same people in right of centre political parties, who dominate parliament and the senate...(in other words, the people that make the laws and their friends)

They get away with it by buying up newspapers and news agencies who spend a disproportionate amount if time slagging and weakening the only institutions that can do anything about foreign workers and outsourcing, you local friendly unions and socially conscious political parties like the NDP.

Everyday people wring their hands about stories like This one but completely fail to realize they are being hand fed propaganda that keeps the status quo...

They keep you busy claiming that public service unions are busy stealing sick days while they rob us and our children blind and bleed off all of the real money for themselves...

Its all a shell game gramma F and you are the mark....
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Postby Sn0man » Dec 12th, 2012, 3:03 pm

The whole TFW program should be scrapped IMO.

While I appreciate there can be legitimate reasons for the program, it seems it's currently being used for all the wrong reasons - i.e. driving down wages. Until Canadas unemployment rate is down down down, we should not be bringing in foreign labor.
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Re: Chinese miners CHARGED up to $16,000 for Canadian jobs

Postby grammafreddy » Dec 12th, 2012, 3:08 pm

Please, please, PLEASE ... ukcanuck ... learn to do proper quotes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Chinese miners CHARGED up to $16,000 for Canadian jobs

Postby ukcanuck » Dec 12th, 2012, 4:50 pm

grammafreddy wrote:Please....


Sorry on an iPhone today... :127:
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Re: Chinese miners CHARGED up to $16,000 for Canadian jobs

Postby Ken7 » Dec 12th, 2012, 5:34 pm

Just wait several years after the oil deal with China.

There will be many little people working and jobs in the oil industry and there will be limited with their company!

OH CANADA!!!
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Postby boardsweeper » Dec 14th, 2012, 12:10 pm

Ken7 wrote:Just wait several years after the oil deal with China.

There will be many little people working and jobs in the oil industry and there will be limited with their company!

OH CANADA!!!



OR....Oh chanada....


Work like this should stay in our back yard...look at how many people in kelowna need work, I can think of a half dozen guys who would scoop this oppurtunity up in a heart beat.
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