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Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby NAB » Jan 31st, 2013, 6:22 pm

"Producers back TransCanada’s plan to pipe oil east"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-in ... le7932658/

"New Brunswick premier uses annual speech to promote national pipeline"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... le8095664/
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby xjeepguy » Jan 31st, 2013, 7:39 pm

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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby kibbs » Jan 31st, 2013, 7:41 pm

Now were cookin with gas .Better than shipping out of country,
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby logicalview » Feb 1st, 2013, 12:13 am

I think it makes a lot of sense to ship our oil east. Just waiting to see how many penthouses full of co-eds David Suzuki has to go through before he finds a way to milk more government cash complaining about it.
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby twobits » Feb 1st, 2013, 8:41 am

Hey, I'm all in for that. Don't really care which direction it goes as long as it gets to market. Funny though how it is somehow OK to pipe it over eastern lands but not west because we all know it is just a matter of when not if a rupture happens.
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby Rwede » Feb 1st, 2013, 8:49 am

twobits wrote:Hey, I'm all in for that. Don't really care which direction it goes as long as it gets to market. Funny though how it is somehow OK to pipe it over eastern lands but not west because we all know it is just a matter of when not if a rupture happens.



Seems like a lot of NIMBYism, doesn't it? Or, more likely, there are just certain factions that want to support the NDP's snap decision to oppose the western route before all the facts were in, at any cost to the economy. I'm more apt to believe the latter.
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby twobits » Feb 1st, 2013, 8:53 am

kibbs wrote:Now were cookin with gas .Better than shipping out of country,


You should have actually read the links that nab provided before you posted. The idea is to still access world markets and also ensure world prices are obtained for the product.
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby kibbs » Feb 1st, 2013, 9:17 am

You should have actually read the links that nab provided before you posted. The idea is to still access world markets and also ensure world prices are obtained for the product.

still think it should be refined and produced here if at all.
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby Rwede » Feb 1st, 2013, 9:33 am

kibbs wrote:still think it should be refined and produced here if at all.



If at all? Any thoughts on how we will pay for healthcare and education then, if at all?
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby kibbs » Feb 1st, 2013, 9:47 am

If at all? Any thoughts on how we will pay for healthcare and education then, if at all?

cut the deadwood.educate in preventative medicine,cut off drug companies ,stop treating symptoms .chop off the union education cancer in provinces ,form national education strategy .reduce oil consumption.keep jobs and money in Canada .
were rich we just need to spend wisely
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby NAB » Feb 1st, 2013, 9:52 am

An interesting part of it is that it would not involve movement of bitumen (dilbit), but rather normal crude oil or already upgraded at source (into synthetic oil) oil sands product. Going all the way to the east coast for export to Europe and Asia aside, there is a huge refinery capacity and market in the east of north america that could probably benefit immensly from using our own oil rather than imported oil.

Edit to add: As I understand it, there is already underutilized pipeline capacity all the way to the Ontario and Quebec refineries, and I rather doubt there would be much environmental objection to extending a line to Halifax provided bitumen / dilbit movement is not an issue.

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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby Rwede » Feb 1st, 2013, 11:03 am

kibbs wrote:cut the deadwood.educate in preventative medicine,cut off drug companies ,stop treating symptoms .chop off the union education cancer in provinces ,form national education strategy .reduce oil consumption.keep jobs and money in Canada .
were rich we just need to spend wisely



Great ideas. But, since none of that will happen, we need oil sales and oil production to pay for what we have. Somewhat sad, but oh so true.

Since Adrian Dix stupidly took a position on the BC pipeline well before any environmental impact studies were done, his supporters are now stuck trying to defend his actions and justify alternatives that make no economic sense. One thing about the NDP and its supporters, they sure stick solidly to their positions, even when they are complete failures as policy.

Maybe we can fly oil in spaceships to the moon, and refine it there to reduce greenhouse gas emmissions. I shouldn't say that too loudly...they might just run with it.
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby hobbyguy » Feb 3rd, 2013, 11:04 am

Going east is a win-win for Canada, and BC. More Canadian jobs.

Not shipping dilbit is the best part. That changes the risk/reward hugely in a positive direction. So does pipelines in flatlands - cheaper to build, easier to maintain, less risk of external damage from landslides/avalances etc.

It isn't nimbyism to look at the options and pick the one with the best risk/reward balance. One would like to find a responsible way to get the jobs in BC, but given the substantially higher risks, and costs, the equation dictates that going east is really the best way.
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby SmokeOnTheWater » Feb 3rd, 2013, 11:42 am

Rwede wrote:Since Adrian Dix stupidly took a position on the BC pipeline well before any environmental impact studies were done

The environmental impact studies are a waste of time. Thanks to the Omnibus Bill C-38 the NEB is now obsolete.
Cabinet can override and approve any projects. Cabinet has final word regardless of what NEB decides.
Harper wants that pipeline. The ads were non stop, ad nauseam.
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Re: Does it make more sense to pipe the oil east?

Postby theyeti » Feb 3rd, 2013, 11:49 am

easier to go across the prairies than over the mountains
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