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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby Rwede » Feb 5th, 2013, 9:12 am

zzontar wrote:Other people also have a heritage to which you probably don't know any more of, and ancestors who experienced hardships and wars, many who had to leave their country because of war and worked their fingers to the bone here to contribute to and build a country that is considered one of the best in the world because of their work. Respect goes both ways.



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I fail to see why my culture is not viewed with respect by Indians. And I fail to see why Indians aren't paying large amounts of money for me to keep and practice my culture.
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby kibbs » Feb 5th, 2013, 9:14 am

Respect is earned not because you are of a certain pesuasion

What have we done to earn first nations respect ?Impose our western culture on them?What makes us warrant respect other than everything white folks have done to the planet for centuries .Do you truly think they should be thankful for all Great things we have done to this country.
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby Roadster » Feb 5th, 2013, 9:16 am

Another :rate10:

For the first post on this page,,,,
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby Ken7 » Feb 5th, 2013, 9:20 am

kibbs"

What have we done to earn first nations respect ?Impose our western culture on them?What makes us warrant respect other than everything white folks have done to the planet for centuries .Do you truly think they should be thankful for all Great things we have done to this country.



I think what you have stated is very inacutat... you make it sound like the Natives are so earth concious, it is just not true! Sorry man, I can go on for days about the way cultures have abused this earth and the Natives are no better then the rest.

If the changes were too much, go back to your roots 100 years or more ago. Your line of thinking is still old, but i'll bet you are not living it!
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby Roadster » Feb 5th, 2013, 9:24 am

Respect is earned not because you are of a certain pesuasion

kibbs
What have we done to earn first nations respect ?Impose our western culture on them?What makes us warrant respect other than everything white folks have done to the planet for centuries .Do you truly think they should be thankful for all Great things we have done to this country.

Who is asking them for respect? No one... People are asking for equality at most. And just like any country way back then, it came to being what it is now. If never then what would it be like? Can't change that. So you are saying they wouldn't be one bit grateful? Then they should live their way and drop all that is given to them today, bet there is a TV and a toilet in every house...
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby zzontar » Feb 5th, 2013, 9:26 am

kibbs wrote:What have we done to earn first nations respect ?Impose our western culture on them?What makes us warrant respect other than everything white folks have done to the planet for centuries .Do you truly think they should be thankful for all Great things we have done to this country.


How many things do natives use and enjoy that are a product of "western culture?" Think about it for a while.
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby Rwede » Feb 5th, 2013, 9:42 am

kibbs wrote:What have we done to earn first nations respect ?Impose our western culture on them?What makes us warrant respect other than everything white folks have done to the planet for centuries .Do you truly think they should be thankful for all Great things we have done to this country.



Do they want to go back to an average life expectancy of 30 - 35 years? Do they want to go back to killing one another for control of territory? Probably not.
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby Roadster » Feb 5th, 2013, 10:09 am

What some people aren't getting is countries are fought over, things happen, Canada isn't the only one that had change, eventually it becomes something even tho people had to die and even today that's kinda happening in some places. This country is what it is now... To use and enjoy the home comforts this land has received by white man is to appreciate it. Even if it wasn't fairly done way back then. "Way" back then is the key word here. The natives are not the only ones who suffered. People around the world today are suffering something. What's good about it here is a debt has been paid,,, Along with the gains offered by technologies of the white man and many others even from other countries which are brought here by trucks, boats, trains and planes, also built by "white" man if we must.
You can't take some and say "but it's all crap!",,,, Gimme back my old ways. Natives like the rest of us go to hospitals for medical attention, white man stuff. Some are even doctors with the white man so as any group you may be, you do merge into the new world, it's human nature to move along but how can you and yet you want to keep certain parts back as if it shouldn't have happened? If Europeans had been the same color would that have made a difference? It's done now, Canada is a country with opportunities. Natives even marry white people. Not like it isn't gonna happen more but some want to think it shouldn't, it will more and more as time goes by but when will we see the final payment? Not just money, I mean the final payment where all are one country, giving what we can and taking what we can as a country,,,,,
I don't get why we seem to prefer keeping the natives in small communities when they probably have a lot to offer if given the chance. I am open to having native people as my neighbor, as my fellow worker, as our partners in life. To share the wealth as they should, earning it as they desire it. All you who are fighting for Their rights are actually fighting to keep them there,,, where they are,,, where they are not happy and they are limited from all the good things that their losses way back when should offering them now. Like we lost people in our families earlier days, it brought us to now, so why do some people not want them to be in the Now?
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby grammafreddy » Feb 5th, 2013, 11:35 am

Has anyone read the Royal Commission on Aboriginal People document? Have they studied the recommendations that came from that?
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby cv23 » Feb 5th, 2013, 12:05 pm

Graham Adder wrote: You really should tone down your discontent as much as you can, because as it stands you appear to have little to no respect for a race to which you know very little and very few.


I thought you played your race card somewhat well when you previously said you were through with this discussion but clearly you have more of them in your deck.

You are the one making this racial. You want based only on race.
This is Canada and we should not be treating anyone differently or special based only on their race.

You keeping griping about how hard done by you are and how your ancestors have been wronged. Where else on this planet is the son , grandson, greatgrandson , greatgreatgrandson, etc forced to pay for the wrongs committed by their distant ancestors? We have recent immigrants to this country who are paying for something that no ancestor of theirs was even involved with. The Americans once treated the blacks as slaves. They did far worse autrosities to the blacks than we Canadians did to our native population yet you don't see the blacks demanding land and money. During WW11 even we Canadians tore Japanese families apart. We look their possessions and moved them into camps under armed guard. Do you see them demanding land and money today? The Romans and Egyptians enslaved the Jews for centuries yet we don't see them demanding land and money today. All of these peoples are now equals with their fellow country men and enjoy equal rights, privileges and responsibilities with their fellow country men even if their next door neighbour's ancestor kept their ancestor as a slave.
The biggest problem First Nations people in Canada nor the government actually want the present situation to end. The government would lose thousands of employees and the First nations people would lose their special privileges if they became equals to all other Canadians. The First Nations peoples don't even want to be equals with one another as GF pointed out. Each group wants different things and none of those things are to be equal in any way with one another or with the rest of Canadians. How can we expect an end when those doing the negotiating don't really want an end and worst of all an end that would see everyone in the country equal to one another?
It is time for the citizens of Canada to put an end to the current situation. Force a national referendum where the Indian Act is torn up. First Nations peoples should be given their reserves as free hold which is more than any other Canadian has received. Give each full blooded First Nations person an equal one time cash settlement, again which is more than any other Canadian citizen has received, and make them all full citizens of Canada with the same rights freedoms and responsibilities as each and every other citizen of Canada.
The past is done. We can not change it. What we can do is our best to see that we don't continue to make the same mistakes and in this case that means not to treat any one race differently than any other. Equality needs to be our present and our future.
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby Graham Adder » Feb 5th, 2013, 1:21 pm

cv23 wrote:Give each full blooded First Nations person an equal one time cash settlement, again which is more than any other Canadian citizen has received, and make them all full citizens of Canada with the same rights freedoms and responsibilities as each and every other citizen of Canada.
The past is done. We can not change it. What we can do is our best to see that we don't continue to make the same mistakes and in this case that means not to treat any one race differently than any other. Equality needs to be our present and our future.

Uh...me thinks you're pretty misguided on what you think will make things right.

Equality needs to be our future, but you don't have to be a rocket surgeon to see that it's not possible in our present.
That will take a bit more thought, insight and overall knowledge than any of us here are likely capable of...myself included.

You see, I am not so stupid as to think for a moment that I have the answers and can post them in a forum thread.
That line of thinking would lead me to believe I am just as stupid as some knuckleheads that can't think beyond their own furled brow.
I do know...for fact...that equality today, at present is not possible under our current system nor the scars and open wounds of the people involved.
There is a lot of planning and a lot of healing that needs to take place. If you're too blinded by hate to see that truth, then you deserve my sympathy.

To use your own line,
What we can do is our best to see that we don't continue to make the same mistakes

can you not see that is exactly what closed minded thinking does?
It IS making the same mistakes.
Now grow.
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby Graham Adder » Feb 5th, 2013, 1:26 pm

cv23 wrote:I thought you played your race card somewhat well when you previously said you were through with this discussion but clearly you have more of them in your deck.

More of what in my deck?
What deck?
I'm not playing a game here son.
I have posted again after my "closing" because you and a few others need the schooling.
Your below average grade on the subject is embarrassing to a real Canadian and I feel the need to be your teacher.
Much like most First Nations teachers likely find trying to educate a bunch non-native narrow minded red-necks, I'm taking a few jabs and pokes from the kids that sit at the back and learn little. I can take that.
Nobody in here has what it takes to kick me down.
My pupils.
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby SmokeOnTheWater » Feb 5th, 2013, 1:34 pm

cv23 wrote: The Romans and Egyptians enslaved the Jews for centuries yet we don't see them demanding land and money today. All of these peoples are now equals with their fellow country men and enjoy equal rights, privileges and responsibilities with their fellow country men even if their next door neighbour's ancestor kept their ancestor as a slave.

You are kidding, right ?
Ever heard of the Israel/Palestine conflict ?
The Jews took over the Palestiniens' land, home and properties.
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby cv23 » Feb 5th, 2013, 1:37 pm

Graham Adder wrote:
I have posted again after my "closing" because you and a few others need the schooling.
Your below average grade on the subject is embarrassing to a real Canadian and I feel the need to be your teacher.

Nobody in here has what it takes to kick me down.
My pupils.
My students.
My class.


:dyinglaughing: Yup, you are going to show and teach us all.

The only people in this whole equation who are truely racist are the natives. They do not want to be anyone's equal. No they feel they are superior to the rest of Canadians and deserve special treatment and privileges not because of their religion, the language they speak, the place they live, their age or even their political views but based only on their race.
Of course no solution can be found when one side is so deeply racist.
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Re: Harper to meet with Chief Spence/First Nations leaders

Postby cv23 » Feb 5th, 2013, 1:38 pm

SmokeOnTheWater wrote:
The Jews took over the Palestiniens' land, home and properties.


Who did the Palestines take the land from?
The conflict is religious not racial.
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