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Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next election

Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby hobbyguy » Mar 20th, 2017, 4:39 pm

What I am saying is that a lot of folks won't bother voting if it is any kind of hassle.

It would not necessarily mean that districts in the US would flip from Republican to Democrat, but it might mean that in the primaries, some districts would flip to Republican instead of Tea Party.

Here are a couple of more instructive articles: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/the-liberal-millennial-revolution/470826/ - I honestly believe that HRC having been a TPP proponent killed her with those voters.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/younger-canadians-more-left-wing-could-shift-political-landscape/article23652636/

So these younger voters, who would be an attractive candidate for them? Curly haired Justin? Grey haired Harper? Bald headed O'Leary? If their choices were Iggy and Kevin, would they even vote?

Then think about the fact that in Republican State after Republican State, they made it harder for students to vote. I wonder why lol.
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby The Green Barbarian » Mar 21st, 2017, 2:38 pm

Glacier wrote:Are you saying that Democrats are mentally *bleep*, and thus at a disadvantage when the rules become so onerous so as to be as hard as Canadian voting where you have to show ID?


Yes, that's exactly what he is saying. Hilarious!
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby hobbyguy » Mar 26th, 2017, 9:15 pm

Another loss for right wing populists: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39397148

The AfD got just over 6% of the vote.

Methinks that Trump's boorish behavior toward Germany and Merkel is helping Merkel.
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby Jflem1983 » Mar 27th, 2017, 5:50 am

Ya or the vote is rigged in Europe like it was here
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby hobbyguy » Mar 27th, 2017, 8:57 am

Now that's a comment that is just silly. The only "rigging" is the gerrymandering of electoral districts to ensure Republican wins, and the Republican "Citizens United".

Meanwhile, Nigel Farage is distancing himself from the likes of Geert Wilders and Pauline Hanson. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-27/west-will-lose-if-we-outlaw-islam-nigel-farage-says/8391590

Finally starting to see that there is a lot of nuance and not just simple "bumper sticker" issues.

Meanwhile, charges have indeed been laid in a voter fraud case in the US - against a former Republican official [icon_lol2.gif]
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-colorado-voterfraud-idUSKBN16T37X

It is, however, instructive that the supporters of the likes of Wilders seem to think that there are a lot more of them than there actually are - so when they lose, they shout "rigging" or "voter fraud" or some such nonsense. They fringe players with fringe thinking (if they think) that is unattractive and repugnant to most in our society.

Such rubbish may gather a few votes in Canada, but not many more than the Rhinoceros party.
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby Jflem1983 » Mar 27th, 2017, 9:29 am

What about all the dead people voting Democrat in Chicago and detroit
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby Glacier » Mar 27th, 2017, 9:50 am

Pretty bad result for left-wingers. The right of centre party wins again.

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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby The Green Barbarian » Mar 27th, 2017, 9:56 am

hobbyguy wrote:Now that's a comment that is just silly. The only "rigging" is the gerrymandering of electoral districts to ensure Republican wins, and the Republican "Citizens United".
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Yes. "Gerry-mandering". The latest in a long line of excuses for why Leftists lose elections. Couldn't be because your policies are bad. Nope.
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby hobbyguy » Mar 27th, 2017, 10:52 am

GB - if gerrymandering didn't help Republicans, then why do they do it? Never said the results would shift left, but they might shift toward the center right and at the same time make the representatives more accountable.

Being opposed to big money in politics. lobbyists, and gerrymandering has nothing to do with political spectrum positioning, it is about supporting democracy.

Center-right, center-left, doesn't really matter to me. Either are pretty representative of where the majority of folks are. If that leaves the nutbars like Geert and Marxists and O'Leery out in the cold - great! As it should be.
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby Glacier » Mar 27th, 2017, 1:05 pm

hobbyguy wrote:GB - if gerrymandering didn't help Republicans, then why do they do it? Never said the results would shift left, but they might shift toward the center right and at the same time make the representatives more accountable.

Being opposed to big money in politics. lobbyists, and gerrymandering has nothing to do with political spectrum positioning, it is about supporting democracy.

Center-right, center-left, doesn't really matter to me. Either are pretty representative of where the majority of folks are. If that leaves the nutbars like Geert and Marxists and O'Leery out in the cold - great! As it should be.

O'Leary is centre-right. Just sayin'.

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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby maryjane48 » Mar 27th, 2017, 3:48 pm

Jflem1983 wrote:What about all the dead people voting Democrat in Chicago and detroit

there were no dead people voting . more trump fake news . what there was which affects both parties is dead people on voting lists . that isnt biased . funny you bring up dead folks did you know dead folks gave money to bclibs ? [icon_lol2.gif]
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby hobbyguy » Mar 29th, 2017, 12:32 am

O'Leery isn't center right. He isn't anything but money for Kevin. Michael Chong and Lisa Raitt are center right, but they are looking left wing compared to the rest of the goofs in that race.

I say that because it goes to the long standing point that everything looks "left" to right wingers because they have gone waaay out to meet the far left totalitarian Marxists. Waay around the bend.
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby Glacier » Mar 29th, 2017, 8:26 am

hobbyguy wrote:O'Leery isn't center right. He isn't anything but money for Kevin. Michael Chong and Lisa Raitt are center right, but they are looking left wing compared to the rest of the goofs in that race.

I say that because it goes to the long standing point that everything looks "left" to right wingers because they have gone waaay out to meet the far left totalitarian Marxists. Waay around the bend.

O'Leary is a social liberal, and fiscally conservative. A lot of people consider that center right. I don't think he's really thought much about political issues to be left or right for the most part. He's pretty uninformed on most things. God help us if he wins.

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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby The Green Barbarian » Mar 29th, 2017, 8:35 am

hobbyguy wrote:GB - if gerrymandering didn't help Republicans, then why do they do it? .


Do they actually do it? Or is this just more fake news from the alt left? That's the thing, there's so much fake news pouring out of the liberal media echo chambers these days that you can't believe anything. Like the whole "it costs $3 million every time Trump plays golf". Totally invented number by Politico, yet the liberal media has now deposited that lie into every echo chamber in North America. So is this "gerrymandering" a thing? Sorry, but I don't trust your word on it. At all.
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Re: Dutch Election-- Will this look like Canada's next elect

Postby hobbyguy » Mar 29th, 2017, 5:47 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/13/this-is-actually-what-america-would-look-like-without-gerrymandering/?utm_term=.029c0b32cb5d

http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/redrawing-america-gerrymandering-matters/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States

Yes GB, there is a Gerrymandering problem. Mostly Republican, but the Dems do it too.

Can you imagine what our ridings would look like if say Glen Clark or Pierre Trudeau had Gerrymandered them? What would Alberta ridings look like if Notley redraws them?

At least here, there is some chance to boot the so-and-so's. Not so much in most of the US.

I think that is part of the reason that Geert, or a similar candidate in Canada, would have less chance than a Trump in the US. The parliamentary system means they have to win a LOT of seats, and that would be harder without Gerrymandering and the vagaries of the Electoral College.
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