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Federal NDP leadership race

Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby Queen K » Sep 12th, 2017, 9:27 am

Rwede wrote:I hope Jagmeet wins the leadership and takes exactly 50% of the left wing vote.


You claim math is hard for leftists, but I didn't have to read this twice to know that you wish for Scheer to win.
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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby The Green Barbarian » Sep 12th, 2017, 3:54 pm

Queen K wrote:
You claim math is hard for leftists, but I didn't have to read this twice to know that you wish for Scheer to win.


Who doesn't?
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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby maryjane48 » Sep 12th, 2017, 6:41 pm

60 percent of canada wont vote for sheer . ndp will win if jt keeps breaking promises :130:
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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby christopher » Sep 12th, 2017, 8:41 pm

if I was a card carrying member of the party Jagmeet is the best pick for the NDP he is smart and the young people of the party seem to like him. He will bring a new start for his party and open the door for others.

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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby The Green Barbarian » Sep 12th, 2017, 9:50 pm

maryjane48 wrote:60 percent of canada wont vote for sheer .:


Sixty percent of Canada? Why?
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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby Omnitheo » Sep 13th, 2017, 8:35 am

Because 60% of Canada does not agree with the right wing conservative ideology. 60% of Canada is, as you would call them, left wing. It's just a matter of how left.
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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby Ka-El » Sep 13th, 2017, 9:14 am

I would suggest the majority of Canadians are moderate - wanting accountability from government while still standing for Canadian values of diversity, tolerance and collective well-being. On the political spectrum these folk can be found at the left, center-left, center and even center-right. However, to the extremist alt-right posters here everything else is left.

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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby Glacier » Sep 13th, 2017, 11:52 am

A personal family friend and left-leaner, Terry, has a good article on Singh.

Singh not what NDP socialists wanted in a leader — and that's a good thing
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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby jimmy4321 » Sep 13th, 2017, 12:13 pm

Only a small minority know who this guy is.
I see an even more bleak existence for the federal NDP, they will long for the good old days of feisty Mulcair.

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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby Rwede » Sep 13th, 2017, 1:25 pm

maryjane48 wrote:60 percent of canada wont vote for sheer . ndp will win if jt keeps breaking promises :130:


More than 60% of Canada didn't vote for Trudeau.


Party Leader %
Liberal Justin Trudeau 39.5%
Conservative Stephen Harper 31.9%
New Democratic Tom Mulcair 19.7%
Bloc Québécois Gilles Duceppe 4.7%
Green Elizabeth May 3.5%
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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby Omnitheo » Sep 13th, 2017, 2:03 pm

Rwede wrote:
maryjane48 wrote:60 percent of canada wont vote for sheer . ndp will win if jt keeps breaking promises :130:


More than 60% of Canada didn't vote for Trudeau.


Party Leader %
Liberal Justin Trudeau 39.5% "Left Wing"
Conservative Stephen Harper 31.9% Right Wing
New Democratic Tom Mulcair 19.7% Left Wing
Bloc Québécois Gilles Duceppe 4.7% "Left Wing"
Green Elizabeth May 3.5% Left Wing


You're right, ~60% of Canadians didn't vote for Trudeau, but after the election Trudeau's support remained high, because even those who didn't vote for him still find his policies closer in line with their preferred choice. As opposed to Harper who wasn't voted by 60% and continued to lack support from the majority of canadians as his ideologies flew in the face of the popular opinion.

It's no surprise that all the conservative parties in Canada tend to have to merge together or collapse in favour of other parties in order to scrape enough support out of the electorate.

This is also why conservatives so staunchly oppose electoral reform, or ranked ballots. Because Liberal supporters will likely put NDP or Green as their choices 2 and 3. NDP Supporters will likely put Liberals and Greens as their choices 2 and 3. But none will select conservatives, who will only put Conservative as choice 1, leaving choices 2 and 3 blank.
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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby Glacier » Sep 13th, 2017, 2:13 pm

Dude, you're smart enough to know that the world is not binary and static. I'm sure you know about the political spectrum, which in itself is only a simplistic representation of reality. It is spectrum, so you have many "right-wing" people voting for "left wing" parties, and similarly, many "left wing" people voting for "right wing" parties.

1 + 1 never equals 2. With the possible exception of 2015 when close to 60% of the population would vote for anyone-but-Harper (even many on the "right"), it's not even close to 2. In fact, sometimes 1 +1 is sometimes equal to 0.8. If the NDP were to fold in Kelowna, all those who voted NDP would not go to the Liberals or Greens. Not even close.

A significant percentage of the population is nether left nor right, many of which are apolitical. These people could vote for anyone.

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Note: Yes, I'm saying that close 60% of the population did vote against Harper in 2015, which is probably double that who voted against Trudeau. In 2011, it was probably closer to 40 to 45% who voted against Harper.

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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby bob vernon » Sep 20th, 2017, 1:02 pm

Electing Jagmeet as NDP leader might seem like a good thing....................... if you're an NDPer. But running a party leader with a turban will turn off huge numbers of Canadian voters. And who will they vote for? Not Scheer? At least most women won't. Scheer's past anti-women stances are unpalatable to any woman capable of thinking. Who does that leave?
It leaves Trudeau. Again. Trudeau will appeal to the leftists and also to those out there who decide their votes on looks alone and to most women. Be prepared for an extension of Trudeau for at least one and maybe another two elections.

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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby maryjane48 » Sep 20th, 2017, 2:02 pm

the only reason harper even won anything was because the libs were drunk for few years . and even then most of canada felt like they stepped in doggie doo doo . the only way the cpc becomes ldgit is they have to have a populist social reform part of their platform . the rightwing neo con shtick of states will never be mainstream here. canadians are to smart for that type of lunacy
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Re: Federal NDP leadership race

Postby Rwede » Sep 20th, 2017, 3:58 pm

Omnitheo wrote:
Rwede wrote:
More than 60% of Canada didn't vote for Trudeau.


Party Leader %
Liberal Justin Trudeau 39.5% "Left Wing"
Conservative Stephen Harper 31.9% Right Wing
New Democratic Tom Mulcair 19.7% Left Wing
Bloc Québécois Gilles Duceppe 4.7% "Left Wing"
Green Elizabeth May 3.5% Left Wing


You're right, ~60% of Canadians didn't vote for Trudeau, but after the election Trudeau's support remained high, because even those who didn't vote for him still find his policies closer in line with their preferred choice. As opposed to Harper who wasn't voted by 60% and continued to lack support from the majority of canadians as his ideologies flew in the face of the popular opinion.

It's no surprise that all the conservative parties in Canada tend to have to merge together or collapse in favour of other parties in order to scrape enough support out of the electorate.

This is also why conservatives so staunchly oppose electoral reform, or ranked ballots. Because Liberal supporters will likely put NDP or Green as their choices 2 and 3. NDP Supporters will likely put Liberals and Greens as their choices 2 and 3. But none will select conservatives, who will only put Conservative as choice 1, leaving choices 2 and 3 blank.


You might want to have a chat with Tom Mulcair and find out if he likes being grouped in with Trudeau's stoned supporters.

The Liberals and NDP are not even close in ideology. Not at all.
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