Postal Strike

[goatboy]

I am still waiting on my letter to come from PEI. It was mailed on Jan 6. I hope to get it by spring.

Good luck! The posties are still mad about the legislated contract and so I'm not surprised that the mail is moving slowly.

LOL. What legislated contract? Postal workers are working under the old contract. Oh and they also got a raise. Why bother posting when you have no idea what your talking about?

Because it's fun to get you going.

[heymac]

I am still waiting on my letter to come from PEI. It was mailed on Jan 6. I hope to get it by spring.

Good luck! The posties are still mad about the legislated contract and so I'm not surprised that the mail is moving slowly.



LOL. What legislated contract? Postal workers are working under the old contract. Oh and they also got a raise. Why bother posting when you have no idea what your talking about?

It seems to me that the government legislated you back to work, with a raise, and imposed a contract. If there were no changes except for the pay raise you received I'm fine with calling it the old contract but it was still imposed. No? Anyway, my main point was that a lot of you aren't very happy with the government (even though Trudeau and Chretien also ordered the posties back to work. Harper just took longer to do the same thing) and it seems that anger with the government (and with the CP management) might be a factor in our slower mail.

No. Harper(scumbag) legislated the employees back to work with a pay raise and imposed an arbitrator to settle things. But he also tied his hands behind his back which he did not appreciate. He quit. Never ever has any government done that before. Not Trudeau or Chretien. Now it's about to go to court at the taxpayers expense. The old contract automatically goes back into effect until the new one is settled. Way to go Harper!!(scumbag) Really thought that one out. It certainly didn't solve the problems that existed then and still do. Do to his dictatorship style the public are now paying the price rather then having solve the problems. CP new "modern post" is a complete failure. Just like you with all the wrong info about unhappy posties slowing the mail down. What a stupid thing to say. The only way that can be done is walking off the job. Or maybe it's because the new "modern post" is designed so that when a letter carrier calls in sick the mail doesn't go out on that particular route. Or they just send some of it out. Maybe that's why people are waiting so long now. No it couldn't be...could it? Call your MP and ask why.

[heymac]

Do the people at Canada post not understand that this can hurt them? If it takes a week for a letter to go from Vancouver to West Kelowna people will use a different method of delivery. This could mean lay offs, and a lot of good that raise would be. Just like the teachers, when they do not get their way they act like spoiled kids.

Almost right. Canada Post management controls the flow of mail, not the employees. There is also a no layoff clause in the contract.

[albertabound]

You posties should stop crying and get to work.You all should be fired for not doing your job and there are a lot of people who can and will do a better job.Calling a Prime Minister names only goes to show how childish you are. :ohmygod:

[The Green Barbarian]

You posties should stop crying and get to work.You all should be fired for not doing your job and there are a lot of people who can and will do a better job.Calling a Prime Minister names only goes to show how childish you are. :ohmygod:

Yup - it's time for someone to pull a "Reagan" again and just fire an entire lot of unionized public service types who think they can hold everyone hostage. Make a special dispensation to bring in a few thousand immigrants who actually want to work, train them up in the two days it takes to learn how to read an address and walk with a mail bag, and we are back at er in no time. I'd be willing to sacrifice a few weeks of slow to no mail if it meant long term, we actually had mail carriers who wanted the job and wanted to work, instead of crying all the time. Calling Harper a "scumbag" seems indicative of the entire unionized sector. Nothing Harper can do, short of just giving these goofballs everything they ask for, all the time (the NDP way - what do they care, it's just taxpayer cash anyway, and if they need to inject a few billion into CP to keep it afloat to pay for the massive wage hikes, they can just print/borrow more, or jack taxes to pay for it) and the general public is just not in favour of that, and rightly so. You guys can all go, "in solidarity", and work at McDonalds, and see how much you enjoy that.

[Rwede]

Working at McDonalds requires some skill. Maybe suggest something they are better qualified for, GB. :wink:

[featfan]

Bought this last Thurday.
Got it yesterday.
Love the system at work here.

Detailed Results:

Delivered, January 17, 2012, 9:59 am, CANADA
Arrival at Post Office, January 17, 2012, 8:40 am, CANADA
Customs clearance processing complete, January 16, 2012, 3:11 pm, CANADA
Customs Clearance, January 16, 2012, 9:18 am, CANADA
Processed Through Sort Facility, January 16, 2012, 9:18 am, CANADA
Processed Through Sort Facility, January 15, 2012, 4:21 am, ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS)
Arrived at Sort Facility, January 15, 2012, 4:06 am, ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS)
Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility, January 13, 2012, 8:10 pm, SPOKANE, WA 99224
Electronic Shipping Info Received, January 13, 2012
Acceptance, January 13, 2012, 4:13 pm, SPOKANE, WA 99202

[twobits]

Bought this last Thurday.
Got it yesterday.
Love the system at work here.

Detailed Results:

Delivered, January 17, 2012, 9:59 am, CANADA
Arrival at Post Office, January 17, 2012, 8:40 am, CANADA
Customs clearance processing complete, January 16, 2012, 3:11 pm, CANADA
Customs Clearance, January 16, 2012, 9:18 am, CANADA
Processed Through Sort Facility, January 16, 2012, 9:18 am, CANADA
Processed Through Sort Facility, January 15, 2012, 4:21 am, ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS)
Arrived at Sort Facility, January 15, 2012, 4:06 am, ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS)
Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility, January 13, 2012, 8:10 pm, SPOKANE, WA 99224
Electronic Shipping Info Received, January 13, 2012
Acceptance, January 13, 2012, 4:13 pm, SPOKANE, WA 99202

Looks like UPS had a lot to do with it. You don't mention the delivery location in Canada. Just for fun, and comparison, why don't you order something equidistant from a Canadian location, have Canada Post handle the entire transit, and report back how long that takes to arrive. I wouldn't move in the meantime.

[goatboy]

Bought this last Thurday.
Got it yesterday.
Love the system at work here.

Detailed Results:

Delivered, January 17, 2012, 9:59 am, CANADA
Arrival at Post Office, January 17, 2012, 8:40 am, CANADA
Customs clearance processing complete, January 16, 2012, 3:11 pm, CANADA
Customs Clearance, January 16, 2012, 9:18 am, CANADA
Processed Through Sort Facility, January 16, 2012, 9:18 am, CANADA
Processed Through Sort Facility, January 15, 2012, 4:21 am, ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS)
Arrived at Sort Facility, January 15, 2012, 4:06 am, ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS)
Processed at USPS Origin Sort Facility, January 13, 2012, 8:10 pm, SPOKANE, WA 99224
Electronic Shipping Info Received, January 13, 2012
Acceptance, January 13, 2012, 4:13 pm, SPOKANE, WA 99202

Looks like UPS had a lot to do with it. You don't mention the delivery location in Canada. Just for fun, and comparison, why don't you order something equidistant from a Canadian location, have Canada Post handle the entire transit, and report back how long that takes to arrive. I wouldn't move in the meantime.

It wasn't UPS, but rather USPS (US Postal Service, their equivalent to Canada Post)

[twobits]

It wasn't UPS, but rather USPS (US Postal Service, their equivalent to Canada Post)

Sorry, you're right. Would still like to see a comparison though.

[featfan]

Bought this last Thurday.
Got it yesterday.
Love the system at work here.



Looks like UPS had a lot to do with it. You don't mention the delivery location in Canada. Just for fun, and comparison, why don't you order something equidistant from a Canadian location, have Canada Post handle the entire transit, and report back how long that takes to arrive. I wouldn't move in the meantime.

It was delivered in Kelowna.
God no, I don`t buy goods in Canada online anymore.
The shipping costs are HUGE, the service sucks and it takes forever.
I quit buying online in Canada years ago

[heymac]

CUPW Wins Again: Federal Court Throws Out Lisa Raitt’s Arbitrator

January 30, 2012 - 08:00

Urban Postal Unit Negotiations (2011) / Media Release

For Immediate Release

OTTAWA January 27, 2012 – The union representing the majority of postal workers across the country has notched up another win in its battle against the Harper government’s back-to-work legislation of last summer.

A federal court in Montreal has overturned Minister of Labour Lisa Raitt’s appointment of retired judge Coulter Osbourne to arbitrate the labour dispute and ordered Raitt to appoint a bilingual arbitrator with labour relations experience. Osbourne, a unilingual judge with no previous labour experience, resigned in November; had he not done so, this decision, handed down by Judge Martineau, would have cancelled his appointment.

In a prior victory, the courts ordered a stay of arbitration proceedings until this matter could be settled.

“The courts are recognizing the injustice of Harper’s treatment of working people,” said Denis Lemelin, national president of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers.

In June 2011, thousands of urban postal workers went on rotating strikes and were then locked out in a massive shutdown of the country’s postal system by Canada Post management. The Conservatives used the shutdown to legislate the postal workers back-to-work, imposing punitive measures that blatantly tipped the scale in favour of their employer.

The CUPW is challenging the back-to-work legislation as unjust interference in free collective bargaining.

“We’ll continue to fight this government’s attack on workers using all the means at our disposal,” said Lemelin.

[heymac]

Federal Court Decision Overturns Minister of Labour’s Appointment

February 2, 2012 - 14:30

Urban Postal Unit Negotiations (2011) / Bulletin

Negotiations Bulletin no. 92

The Decision … What does it mean?

On January 27, 2012 the Honourable Judge Luc Martineau of the Federal Court in Montreal, Quebec rendered his decision which overturns the Minister of Labour’s July 22nd appointment of the Honourable Coulter A. Osborne. In his decision he upheld the Union’s arguments on the necessary qualifications for a Final offer selection (FOS) arbitrator. He ruled that any of the proceedings or decisions that had transpired under arbitrator Osborne should be quashed on the grounds that the Minister of Labour has unreasonably exercised her discretionary power by ignoring the two essential qualifications required of the arbitrator. He agreed with the Union that any appointed arbitrator would have to be bilingual and have a degree of recognized expertise in labour relations. In his decision Judge Martineau states:

“[Translation]… it is inconceivable in this case that the Minister would appoint someone who is not bilingual.” …

“[Translation] Before appointing a new final offer arbitrator, the Minister shall take into account the grounds of the Court’s decision and ensure that the person selected has some degree of recognized labour relations experience and is bilingual.”

In his decision Judge Martineau also comments that final offer arbitration:

“[Translation]… leads to one-sided law‑making…. It is the prevailing party, as designated by the final offer arbitrator, who will dictate to the unsuccessful party, for the next three years … Therefore, the weight of responsibilities is enormous.”

Further he comments on how this “extraordinary process” will affect some 50,000 postal workers and that:

“[Translation] Caution is required to avoid the deterioration of the working environment for years to come.”

This is a major victory for the Union. The effect of this decision is that essentially it takes us back to where we were, in the process, in July 2011. The Union will continue to fight for postal workers against this unjust legislation.



The struggle ahead…

There is little doubt that when the new arbitrator is nominated by the Harper government, Canada Post will submit a final offer that will aim to reduce or eliminate protections and rights acquired over many decades, all in the name of more profits. The Union will do all in its power to preserve these protections and rights but there is nothing like the collective strength of all 54,000 postal workers. Tell the employer on the shop floor that you deserve better, that you deserve respect and equality, that your health and safety must be a priority, and that you want to retire one day with a secured pension and, in one piece, not with a broken body.

Make your voice heard.



The struggle continues … more than ever.

In solidarity,

Denis Lemelin
National President and Chief Negotiator

[NAB]

They should just give up completely trying to make any sense of this increasingly useless ball and chain drag on the Canadian economy and shut it down completely. Who really needs a national postal service any more? The private sector can do a much better job.

Nab

[Urbane]

You read this article and you think back to the postal strike and you just shake your head. What were the posties thinking?

CTVNews.ca Staff
Date: Sat. Feb. 4

If you think it's getting harder to find somewhere to mail a letter, you're not wrong.

Over the past two years Canada Post has removed more than 1,000 "Street Letter Boxes" across the country. And it is expected to junk even more of them as Canadians continue to abandon traditional "snailmail" for email and other forms of digital communication.

Over the past five years, Canada Post says household mail volume has plunged 17 per cent. It's gotten to the point that some of its remaining 30,000 red collection boxes get no mail at all.

According to a spokesperson for Canada Post, sending the red boxes to be crushed and recycled will not only help save money, it's necessary for the corporation's future survival.

"As the amount of lettermail in the system declines, we have to make changes in our business," Canada Post director of communications Jon Hamilton told CTV News.

But mail is fast becoming obsolete and the Crown corporation needs to do more than junk a few mailboxes to stay afloat, said Benjamin Dachis a policy analyst at the C.D. Howe Institute.

"Canada Post is in significant financial trouble if they don't consider serious changes such as outsourcing their operations," said Dachis.

But Hamilton said the company is changing with the times as its focus shifts from letters to the growing market for online shipments.

"We have a company built on delivering a lot of mail and a few parcels and the future for us, means a lot more parcels and fewer pieces of mail," said Hamilton.

Despite the challenge of competing with other companies that are already filling that niche, Canada Post remains optimistic.

"I think we are very well positioned," Canada Post spokesperson Anick Losier told CTVNews.ca, adding the company's strengths are its affordability and reach across the country.


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