Postal Strike
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LOL, wondered how long it would be before someone posted this garbage. Do you really believe CP would tell the truth? All the money they claimed they were losing because of a rotating strike has been proven that they were lying. 1000 street letter boxes removed in the past 2 years? Simply because postal workers now pick up mail from peoples own boxes. It wasn't that long ago that employees were not supposed to do that although lots have always done it as a courtesy. Plus with all the houses that have to pick their mail up at CMB (community mail boxes) they can mail letters in them as well. Mail volumes plunging in the past 5 years,lol. Sure it;s down some but not nearly as much as they claim. CP is really getting frustrated as they keep losing in court.
Oh ya, one more thing. Why would this article be a "top story" if the survival of the post office wasn't important?
Oh ya, one more thing. Why would this article be a "top story" if the survival of the post office wasn't important?
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heymac wrote:LOL, wondered how long it would be before someone posted this garbage. Do you really believe CP would tell the truth? All the money they claimed they were losing because of a rotating strike has been proven that they were lying. 1000 street letter boxes removed in the past 2 years? Simply because postal workers now pick up mail from peoples own boxes. It wasn't that long ago that employees were not supposed to do that although lots have always done it as a courtesy. Plus with all the houses that have to pick their mail up at CMB (community mail boxes) they can mail letters in them as well. Mail volumes plunging in the past 5 years,lol. Sure it;s down some but not nearly as much as they claim. CP is really getting frustrated as they keep losing in court.
Oh ya, one more thing. Why would this article be a "top story" if the survival of the post office wasn't important?
Did you even read the article before you attacked it ? Seriously the fact that Canada Post has individuals like you within the organization is for more damaging to the reputation of the organization then articles like then one you just stupidly attacked. Mail is down, this is a fact. You yourself even acknowledge this point in a roundabout way. Canada Post in this article suggests they need to look at alternative business to supplement the lost revenue.
If you didn’t notice Kodak just filed for bankruptcy as well because the times are truly changing. If CUPW public sector parasites want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend they are immune to societal trends I say good luck to you and have fun on the unemployment line.
It is not “garbage” to point out that more and more Canadians are finding electronics ways to not deal with your and your Union cohorts. Maybe try accepting reality before you become extinct. The public taxpayer has zero sympathy for overpaid unskilled Union vermin with a bad attitude. Email and electronic payment is but a mouse click away…..
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I use Purolator for parcels, but I haven't sent a stamped letter in about five years. I doubt I'm alone in that regard.
Not only does their service stink, but their prices are stupid too most of the time.
Something wrong when I can send an item cheaper and faster to Europe than I can to Ontario.
Not only does their service stink, but their prices are stupid too most of the time.
Something wrong when I can send an item cheaper and faster to Europe than I can to Ontario.
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Al Czervic wrote:heymac wrote:LOL, wondered how long it would be before someone posted this garbage. Do you really believe CP would tell the truth? All the money they claimed they were losing because of a rotating strike has been proven that they were lying. 1000 street letter boxes removed in the past 2 years? Simply because postal workers now pick up mail from peoples own boxes. It wasn't that long ago that employees were not supposed to do that although lots have always done it as a courtesy. Plus with all the houses that have to pick their mail up at CMB (community mail boxes) they can mail letters in them as well. Mail volumes plunging in the past 5 years,lol. Sure it;s down some but not nearly as much as they claim. CP is really getting frustrated as they keep losing in court.
Oh ya, one more thing. Why would this article be a "top story" if the survival of the post office wasn't important?
Did you even read the article before you attacked it ? Seriously the fact that Canada Post has individuals like you within the organization is for more damaging to the reputation of the organization then articles like then one you just stupidly attacked. Mail is down, this is a fact. You yourself even acknowledge this point in a roundabout way. Canada Post in this article suggests they need to look at alternative business to supplement the lost revenue.
If you didn’t notice Kodak just filed for bankruptcy as well because the times are truly changing. If CUPW public sector parasites want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend they are immune to societal trends I say good luck to you and have fun on the unemployment line.
It is not “garbage” to point out that more and more Canadians are finding electronics ways to not deal with your and your Union cohorts. Maybe try accepting reality before you become extinct. The public taxpayer has zero sympathy for overpaid unskilled Union vermin with a bad attitude. Email and electronic payment is but a mouse click away…..
Volumes are down some but not anywhere near what CP claims. That's what I said isn't it? What's roundabout about that? Everything I said is true. Prove me wrong.
CUPW has tried for years to get CP into alternative business opportunities and what does CP do? Nothing. You probably don't know this but back in the 80s CP tried to get out of the parcel business. Great move right as online shopping was taking hold. It gave a great opportunity for many other's to cash in and then CP has tried to catch up ever since. I suppose that's the unions fault though, right?
It's individuals like you that are damaging because instead of fighting their lies and BS you just take it. Your a coward. Or a CON. Same thing in my book.
No taxpayer money goes to CP and hasn't for almost 25 years.
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Re: Postal Strike
LoneWolf_53 wrote:I use Purolator for parcels, but I haven't sent a stamped letter in about five years. I doubt I'm alone in that regard.
Not only does their service stink, but their prices are stupid too most of the time.
Something wrong when I can send an item cheaper and faster to Europe than I can to Ontario.
BS
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heymac wrote:
Volumes are down some but not anywhere near what CP claims. That's what I said isn't it? What's roundabout about that? Everything I said is true. Prove me wrong.
CUPW has tried for years to get CP into alternative business opportunities and what does CP do? Nothing. You probably don't know this but back in the 80s CP tried to get out of the parcel business. Great move right as online shopping was taking hold. It gave a great opportunity for many other's to cash in and then CP has tried to catch up ever since. I suppose that's the unions fault though, right?
It's individuals like you that are damaging because instead of fighting their lies and BS you just take it. Your a coward. Or a CON. Same thing in my book.
Either way I am potential customer of Canada Post, truth be told I am actually a fairly regular customer and generally have had very good service. This is why I suggest that the toxic attitude of individuals like yourself is a good indicator of why the organization will continue to decline and slowly, bit by bit more Unionists will loose their jobs because of those with a bad attitude who refuse to understand that in an era where there is an electronic alternative and that alternative leads to Unionists unemployment you need to focus on service and understand that if you chase away the customer, sooner or later, you will chase away your own jobs.
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Ya gotta read the writing on the wall. I buy stamps that don't have a monetary value on them, so that the book of 10 I buy in February won't necessitate a bunch of 1 and 2 cent "top-ups" the following January 1st.
Why do you think Canada Post began offering the stamps with no fixed value on them? Because business is brisk? Haha, I don't think so, Tim!
Why do you think Canada Post began offering the stamps with no fixed value on them? Because business is brisk? Haha, I don't think so, Tim!
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Al Czervic wrote:Either way I am potential customer of Canada Post, truth be told I am actually a fairly regular customer and generally have had very good service. This is why I suggest that the toxic attitude of individuals like yourself is a good indicator of why the organization will continue to decline and slowly, bit by bit more Unionists will loose their jobs because of those with a bad attitude who refuse to understand that in an era where there is an electronic alternative and that alternative leads to Unionists unemployment you need to focus on service and understand that if you chase away the customer, sooner or later, you will chase away your own jobs.
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heymac wrote:LoneWolf_53 wrote:I use Purolator for parcels, but I haven't sent a stamped letter in about five years. I doubt I'm alone in that regard.
Not only does their service stink, but their prices are stupid too most of the time.
Something wrong when I can send an item cheaper and faster to Europe than I can to Ontario.
BS
Coming from a postal lackie I'd expect no less of a response.
Truth be told your outlets are so unorganized, one can go there with a package and get different estimates as to shipping cost depending on which clerk is manning the counter, and possibly what mood they're in.
You can call BS all you like, but I've gone down there and questioned them on it, as well as showed them the receipt for the accurate postage paid when I went online and did it myself.
I've dispatched identical packages, in size, and weight, one going to France, one going to Ontario, the buyers informing me by email the minute they received their product, and the one to France got there about three days faster, plus was about four dollars less money to ship.
All I can get out of my experience is that either the Canada Post online software is flawed, or it somehow isn't in sync with the walk in Post Office Outlets, or you are trying to have people believe your BS, as you put it.
heymac wrote:CUPW has tried for years to get CP into alternative business opportunities and what does CP do? Nothing. You probably don't know this but back in the 80s CP tried to get out of the parcel business. Great move right as online shopping was taking hold. It gave a great opportunity for many other's to cash in and then CP has tried to catch up ever since. I suppose that's the unions fault though, right?
You do know that Canada Post owns Purolator do you not?
Kind of makes your above argument a load of ................................ well you know. :wink:
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Re: Postal Strike
The ubiquitous red street letter box in Canada is going the way of the pay phone.
They are harder to find because Canada Post has removed more than 1,000 from across the country, in large part because household mail has dropped off 17 per cent in the past five years.
Mail has dropped 17%!
“People are not sending as much mail anymore,” Anick Losier, a spokeswoman for Canada Post, told the Toronto Star Monday.
Is that because of bad service? Strikes?
Or both?
At least letter carriers still deliver junk mail.

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I have a mailbox exactly as shown in the above photo. I was away from my mailbox for three weeks and upon my return found a note saying that my bundled mail was at the central Canada Post office. Upon arrival I was informed that I would have to pay $17.00 dollars to receive my bundle of mail as they could not fit anymore into my box and had to handle it twice. Further insult was the 17 dollar charge resulted as a business holding fee as I recieve some of my corporate mail to my home address (perhaps 6 envelopes a month). I pointed out that in the abscence of all the junk and flyers, there would have been plenty of capacity and further, if I received delivery thru a slot in my front door, it would not matter if I ever collected my mail. I refused to pay, they refused to hand over my mail. A bit of a crowd formed behind me and I felt bad until the crowd started to get verbal and were on my side!! I pulled out my cell phone, looked up the local MP's office and dialed. When the postie heard me ask for him by name and realized what I was doing, the mail was handed over, no charge.
Ever since this display of customer service I have made it a mission to use Canada Post only as a last resort and have been very successful at converting almost everything to digital communication and payment. And saving a bundle too so for that I thank the ignorant posties for the enlightenment. I would encourage everyone to do so. May every day be a hailstorm for them.
Ever since this display of customer service I have made it a mission to use Canada Post only as a last resort and have been very successful at converting almost everything to digital communication and payment. And saving a bundle too so for that I thank the ignorant posties for the enlightenment. I would encourage everyone to do so. May every day be a hailstorm for them.
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If we could just tax "stupid", there would be no government deficit
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twobits wrote:Ever since this display of customer service I have made it a mission to use Canada Post only as a last resort and have been very successful at converting almost everything to digital communication and payment. And saving a bundle too so for that I thank the ignorant posties for the enlightenment. I would encourage everyone to do so. May every day be a hailstorm for them.
I hear you. I've done much the same as most things can be done by email and internet these days.
Indirectly I suppose I still use CP, as I opt to use Purolator for small packages, but I've been satisfied with the service I get from them, it's fast, efficient, consistent, and reasonably priced.
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Post office chief executive sees growth for service in e-commerce
By Craig Wong, The Canadian Press | February 20 2012
In this January 18, 2011 photo, President and CEO of Canada Post Deepak Chopra pauses at the Canada Post headquarters in Ottawa.Chopra sees growth opportunities for the post office as Canadians continue to buy more things online and have them delivered, but first the Crown corporation must transform itself to survive as fewer letters get delivered each year.
OTTAWA - The growth of online retailers represents the biggest opportunity in a generation, but Canada Post chief executive Deepak Chopra says the post office first needs to change to survive as fewer letters get delivered each year.
Chopra says the organization is going through its biggest upheaval since the introduction of postal codes and machine sorting of mail.
And while the number of windowpaned envelopes with the latest Visa bill or bank statement are decreasing as users turn to electronic alternatives, the volume of yellow-padded envelopes with the latest eBay purchase is on the rise.
"We're on the verge of a massive explosion in e-commerce," said Chopra, who marked his first year in the top job at the Crown corporation this month.
Chopra succeeded the veteran civil servant Moya Greene, who left Canada to become head of Britain's Royal Mail service.
In a 2010 presentation to a Senate committee, Greene said the postal operator was looking at new services — including getting into banking as postal companies in New Zealand and Italy had done.
"We think this trust category of services can move in the future, as many postal administrations have done, into a more traditional and generalized banking offer," she told the committee.
"It is one of the things we are looking at, but it would require a high degree of very detailed planning."
Postal services around the world are facing the same trends that squeeze their business, undercut revenues and threaten to produce mass layoffs.
The U.S. Postal Service is warning it will lose as much as $18.2 billion a year by 2015 unless the government allows it to eliminate Saturday delivery, slow first-class mail by one day and raise the price of a postage stamp.
U.S Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe is seeking to close up to 252 mail-processing centres and 3,700 local post offices.
Though not as dramatic, Canada Post is also pursuing its own restructuring to modernize and adapt.
The post office is spending $2.1 billion in its modernization program and opened its first new plant in 20 years in Winnipeg in 2010. The organization is also retrofitting its massive operations in Toronto and Montreal as well as other locations across the country.
Modern equipment is speeding processing times, but it also means less manual handling — and rising tensions with unionized workers.
With only a few months on the job last year Chopra faced rotating strikes by postal workers. The corporation responded by locking out the workers in a dispute that came to an end only with back to work legislation from the federal government.
During the dispute Canada Post said the main sticking point was the union's demand for staffing levels beyond its capability, while the union emphasized working conditions and safety issues as well as arguing that new employees would receive inferior wages and pensions.
Chopra said the company could have done a better job explaining the changes it needed to make and how they would affect the organization.
"What we were missing was the context within which we were trying to transform the business. I think that context is starting to take shape and that's what gives me hope," he said.
Chopra noted that Canada Post will have to be at the top of its game when it comes to winning business in the e-commerce sector.
"We have real competition for a change. That means we have to be competitive. We have to be very responsive to customer needs. We have to be very careful in designing our retail strategy so they supplement all of our e-commerce offerings," he said.
Chopra said the post office much also embrace electronic alternatives as he believes the growth of tablet computers like the iPad mean paper statements now have real competition.
He said worries that Canada Post's ePost service may serve to speed the cannibalize the post office's legacy business need to put aside or the post office risks losing relevancy.
"We're in an inflection point and we need to start going after the alternative opportunities like our ePost products that we've in the past been shy about," he said.
But still Chopra says people are still mailing birthday cards, Christmas cards and wedding invitations.
"I've not prepared to declare mail dead. Rumours of my death are greatly exaggerated," Chopra said, quoting Mark Twain.
By Craig Wong, The Canadian Press | February 20 2012
In this January 18, 2011 photo, President and CEO of Canada Post Deepak Chopra pauses at the Canada Post headquarters in Ottawa.Chopra sees growth opportunities for the post office as Canadians continue to buy more things online and have them delivered, but first the Crown corporation must transform itself to survive as fewer letters get delivered each year.
OTTAWA - The growth of online retailers represents the biggest opportunity in a generation, but Canada Post chief executive Deepak Chopra says the post office first needs to change to survive as fewer letters get delivered each year.
Chopra says the organization is going through its biggest upheaval since the introduction of postal codes and machine sorting of mail.
And while the number of windowpaned envelopes with the latest Visa bill or bank statement are decreasing as users turn to electronic alternatives, the volume of yellow-padded envelopes with the latest eBay purchase is on the rise.
"We're on the verge of a massive explosion in e-commerce," said Chopra, who marked his first year in the top job at the Crown corporation this month.
Chopra succeeded the veteran civil servant Moya Greene, who left Canada to become head of Britain's Royal Mail service.
In a 2010 presentation to a Senate committee, Greene said the postal operator was looking at new services — including getting into banking as postal companies in New Zealand and Italy had done.
"We think this trust category of services can move in the future, as many postal administrations have done, into a more traditional and generalized banking offer," she told the committee.
"It is one of the things we are looking at, but it would require a high degree of very detailed planning."
Postal services around the world are facing the same trends that squeeze their business, undercut revenues and threaten to produce mass layoffs.
The U.S. Postal Service is warning it will lose as much as $18.2 billion a year by 2015 unless the government allows it to eliminate Saturday delivery, slow first-class mail by one day and raise the price of a postage stamp.
U.S Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe is seeking to close up to 252 mail-processing centres and 3,700 local post offices.
Though not as dramatic, Canada Post is also pursuing its own restructuring to modernize and adapt.
The post office is spending $2.1 billion in its modernization program and opened its first new plant in 20 years in Winnipeg in 2010. The organization is also retrofitting its massive operations in Toronto and Montreal as well as other locations across the country.
Modern equipment is speeding processing times, but it also means less manual handling — and rising tensions with unionized workers.
With only a few months on the job last year Chopra faced rotating strikes by postal workers. The corporation responded by locking out the workers in a dispute that came to an end only with back to work legislation from the federal government.
During the dispute Canada Post said the main sticking point was the union's demand for staffing levels beyond its capability, while the union emphasized working conditions and safety issues as well as arguing that new employees would receive inferior wages and pensions.
Chopra said the company could have done a better job explaining the changes it needed to make and how they would affect the organization.
"What we were missing was the context within which we were trying to transform the business. I think that context is starting to take shape and that's what gives me hope," he said.
Chopra noted that Canada Post will have to be at the top of its game when it comes to winning business in the e-commerce sector.
"We have real competition for a change. That means we have to be competitive. We have to be very responsive to customer needs. We have to be very careful in designing our retail strategy so they supplement all of our e-commerce offerings," he said.
Chopra said the post office much also embrace electronic alternatives as he believes the growth of tablet computers like the iPad mean paper statements now have real competition.
He said worries that Canada Post's ePost service may serve to speed the cannibalize the post office's legacy business need to put aside or the post office risks losing relevancy.
"We're in an inflection point and we need to start going after the alternative opportunities like our ePost products that we've in the past been shy about," he said.
But still Chopra says people are still mailing birthday cards, Christmas cards and wedding invitations.
"I've not prepared to declare mail dead. Rumours of my death are greatly exaggerated," Chopra said, quoting Mark Twain.
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Re: Postal Strike
Haha, my friend's fiancee emailed us all wedding invitations, and she had her RSVPs back right away. No cost to anyone, no lost invitations, no hassle.
Buh-bye CUPW. It's been a slice!
Buh-bye CUPW. It's been a slice!
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