Retired RCMP blood splatter expert gets conditional sentence

[goatboy]

If we use this case as an example. He was a member with 32 years service. Not sure how recruiting,training and upper management could have changed how this member acted.

Also, keep this in mind, if 1% of Mounties are bad, that's 180. 2% - 360, 3% 540. I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with 180 members that have been guilty of negligence. That also means 99% are good. Perception is not always reality. It's also a far cry from GD's assertion that the RCMP is nonfunctional.

[Mr. Personality]

Just because it's mostly good we shouldn't fix the parts that aren't working?

[fvkasm2x]

If we use this case as an example. He was a member with 32 years service. Not sure how recruiting,training and upper management could have changed how this member acted.

Good point.

Was there a massive outrage against the RCMP back in the 80's or 90's when this guy worked? The cries against RCMP failing the public are fairly recent (last 5 years or so) and this guy had already been on the job for 25 years. An overhaul would have had to happen 30 years ago in order to "save" this guy.

[goatboy]

Just because it's mostly good we shouldn't fix the parts that aren't working?

That's not what I'm saying. Fix what needs to be fixed. As any organization the RCMP should always be looking at how to do things better. I just don't think it's as broken as some make it out to be.

[Mr. Personality]

Just because it's mostly good we shouldn't fix the parts that aren't working?

That's not what I'm saying. Fix what needs to be fixed. As any organization the RCMP should always be looking at how to do things better. I just don't think it's as broken as some make it out to be.

No, but it's not as functional as others make it out to be.
There are problems, this much we know. It may be a small percentage of the population but given the authority these guys have, should we not demand better from them?

[goatboy]

Just because it's mostly good we shouldn't fix the parts that aren't working?

That's not what I'm saying. Fix what needs to be fixed. As any organization the RCMP should always be looking at how to do things better. I just don't think it's as broken as some make it out to be.

No, but it's not as functional as others make it out to be.
There are problems, this much we know. It may be a small percentage of the population but given the authority these guys have, should we not demand better from them?

I guess it depends on what you're demanding. Is it attainable? Is it realistic? We can say we should never have a police officer break the law, be negligent or unprofessional, but that isn't going to happen, anywhere.

What, specifically, do you think should change?

[fvkasm2x]

There are problems, this much we know. It may be a small percentage of the population but given the authority these guys have, should we not demand better from them?

Yes, we should. Most definitely.

As Goatboy and myself have both said, we are not enamored with the RCMP. We realize there are problems, problem members, etc... and we don't blindly trust the RCMP or it's members. But blasting them without merit and/or exaggerating claims does nothing but push people away. It does more harm than good.

Hell, neither of us like the RCMP that much but we are apparently "cheerleaders" because we want the subject broached accurately and fairly.

[Mr. Personality]

Just because it's mostly good we shouldn't fix the parts that aren't working?

That's not what I'm saying. Fix what needs to be fixed. As any organization the RCMP should always be looking at how to do things better. I just don't think it's as broken as some make it out to be.

No, but it's not as functional as others make it out to be.
There are problems, this much we know. It may be a small percentage of the population but given the authority these guys have, should we not demand better from them?

I guess it depends on what you're demanding. Is it attainable? Is it realistic? We can say we should never have a police officer break the law, be negligent or unprofessional, but that isn't going to happen, anywhere.

What, specifically, do you think should change?

I don't know exactly where the problem is. Is it in the training? Maybe. Is it in the recruitment? Maybe. Is it in the perceived smugness of RCMP members when they do run afoul of the law and expect to be immune because of their standing? Maybe. Is it a mixture of all 3? Probably.
Obviously there are always going to be some problem officers and things will go awry. I just think that over the past few years there have been enough problems to warrant looking for the root cause. Until then I will not be able to trust the RCMP and neither will a great many Canadians.