Autistic boy, 9, handcuffed by police

[ferri]

take it to private messages please! thanks!

[Bagotricks]

Maybe all kids with autism should be in specialized care and not be allowed to mingle with other kids? Is that what I am also supposed to be "getting"?

Federally, there is a lack of support for Autistic kids.

Autistic kids routinely have tantrums - that is part of their disability - not to be able to process emotions/frustrations like the rest of us. As I mentioned, professionals deal with these tantrums and the cops are never called.

Disabled kids, when given proper care, do not have to be handcuffed. Children psychologists and *gasp imagine this* Autism experts have all made it quite clear that handcuffing a 9 year old Autistic boy is not appropriate whatsoever. Everyone is ignoring this little ditty.

The police are not properly trained to deal with these people - and even the article mentions how the Autism society has offered free classes to police organizations on how to properly handle this type of situation and recognize and deal with people that suffer from Autism - which many police organizations have turned down.

This kid was handcuffed because there was no professionals on staff. The day care admitted they were lacking in resources. Federally, kids with Autism fall through the cracks. Parents need funds and support. This kid was in a "normal" day care and ended up in handcuffs when all it would have took was a pro to talk him down for 5 minutes and the ability to intervene the kid for a minute, without handcuffs that is.

So who's fault is it?

The kid? - he is disabled.
The police? - they dont know any better.
The Day Care? - they were not equipped to handle the situation.
The mom? - most likely she couldn't afford a proper place for her child ( incase you missed how there is a serious lack of day care spaces in Canada, let alone affordable ones - let alone for Autistic kids )

So it all boils down to : Lack of proper funding = kid with disabilities in handcuffs.

You can be purposely difficult in order to get me to say 'I don't think its right to handcuff disabled children" so you can say "well what were they suppose to do!" but the point I made is that this kid should have been in a proper place, and because he wasn't - just like the mentally ill people walking around the downtown eastside - the police are left to deal with them. That's lack of public funding and support.

I did not mention the BC Liberals, segregation or any of the other jazz you posted about.

I hope that clears it up for you.

[grammafreddy]

There's ZERO money for gifted children but I don't see their parents screaming about being left out of the loop. They just go with the flow, do what they can, suffer for their kids and try to teach them themselves. The gifted kids are square pegs being forced into the round holes in the school/daycare system but who is taking up their cause? The teachers and school boards want them medicated, the shrinks are happy to comply, other kids in their classes tease them for being brainy and nerdy.

How many people do you want the government (taxpayer) to babysit for you?

There's a limit to how much money the government can spend. Right now, it has overspent and is in debt.

What do you want cut so that the autistic kids can get what you think they need? What makes you think the ones who get their funding cut in favour of the autistic kids will be happy about their loss of bucks?

[Mr. Personality]

There's ZERO money for gifted children but I don't see their parents screaming about being left out of the loop. They just go with the flow, do what they can, suffer for their kids and try to teach them themselves. The gifted kids are square pegs being forced into the round holes in the school/daycare system but who is taking up their cause? The teachers and school boards want them medicated, the shrinks are happy to comply, other kids in their classes tease them for being brainy and nerdy.

How many people do you want the government (taxpayer) to babysit for you?

There's a limit to how much money the government can spend. Right now, it has overspent and is in debt.

What do you want cut so that the autistic kids can get what you think they need? What makes you think the ones who get their funding cut in favour of the autistic kids will be happy about their loss of bucks?

[Bagotricks]

There's ZERO money for gifted children but I don't see their parents screaming about being left out of the loop. They just go with the flow, do what they can, suffer for their kids and try to teach them themselves.

How many people do you want the government (taxpayer) to babysit for you?

There's a limit to how much money the government can spend. Right now, it has overspent and is in debt.

What do you want cut so that the autistic kids can get what you think they need? What makes you think the ones who get their funding cut in favour of the autistic kids will be happy about their loss of bucks?

Your trying to compare kids that are little geniuses without disabilities to those that do have them?

Do you have problems with medicare paying for kids wheelchairs too? Make em' crawl if there is no money to be had?

Going into debt for disabled kids is acceptable. Buying stealth jets, corporate welfare tax cuts and fake lakes for visiting politicians while mentally disabled children are being handcuffed by the same guys that arrest murderers is not acceptable. Grow a socialital conscience when you get a chance.

Let me put it this way to you - instead of cuts to other diabilites GF, since you think corporations shouldn't pay any tax - which multi millionaire should go without his 4th Porsche so disabled kids can get the care they need and not be handcuffed - because that is exactly what happened here in essence.

I find is very sad that you could even consider bringing money into the picture. Of all the places to cheap out. Yes were in debt because of a bunch of gamblers in suits - so lets handcuff kids and let the parents bear the financial burden of raising a disabled child and if they cant too bad for the kid - why? - because socialism is evil to you. Real smart cookies.

Also "what I think they need"?

The boy was handcuffed in a day care. Time to clue in. The police are not mental health experts or professionals - they are trained bouncers for society who mostly deal with drunks and domestic fights. Obviously this kid was NOT getting what he needed - and its the Autism society and child psychologists saying this ISNT what he needs - not me. That just my common sense agreeing with the experts.

[The Green Barbarian]

Going into debt for disabled kids is acceptable. Buying stealth jets, corporate welfare tax cuts and fake lakes for visiting politicians while mentally disabled children are being handcuffed by the same guys that arrest murderers is not acceptable. Grow a socialital conscience when you get a chance.

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why is it the guys that are so proud of their "socialital" (I believe you meant "societal") consciences want everyone else to fund this pride?

[Mr. Personality]

There's ZERO money for gifted children but I don't see their parents screaming about being left out of the loop. They just go with the flow, do what they can, suffer for their kids and try to teach them themselves.

How many people do you want the government (taxpayer) to babysit for you?

There's a limit to how much money the government can spend. Right now, it has overspent and is in debt.

What do you want cut so that the autistic kids can get what you think they need? What makes you think the ones who get their funding cut in favour of the autistic kids will be happy about their loss of bucks?

Your trying to compare kids that are little geniuses without disabilities to those that do have them?

I was never a "genius" but I was considered "gifted" by my school.
Their solution to the fact that I was bored and being held back by the rest of the class was to remove me from class for an hour twice a week to join a completely unstructured environment with other "gifted" kids from other classes and grades.
In my day, this was apparently the best they could come up with. It was a complete waste of time and only added to my boredom. I ended up so bored with school that I became an "average" student based on my grades, but I had several teachers, and a counselor, tell me if I put a little more work into my schooling I'd have a free ride to any University I wanted. At the time, I was so bored after 9 years of having to sit back at the level of my classmates that I couldn't be bothered. I regret it now, but that's sort of how teenagers think.
I was never given the opportunity to succeed by my schools because I was at a higher level than others my age. It made school a waste of time.

[Bagotricks]

Going into debt for disabled kids is acceptable. Buying stealth jets, corporate welfare tax cuts and fake lakes for visiting politicians while mentally disabled children are being handcuffed by the same guys that arrest murderers is not acceptable. Grow a socialital conscience when you get a chance.

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why is it the guys that are so proud of their "socialital" (I believe you meant "societal") consciences want everyone else to fund this pride?

Yes GB, wanting tax dollars to fund disabled kids (whos fault is it that they are disabled?) is just waste of tax dollars that could go instead to subsidize research into cleaner ways to get oil from the oilsands, I know.

My "societal" pride must be misplaced, excuse me.

[The Green Barbarian]

Going into debt for disabled kids is acceptable. Buying stealth jets, corporate welfare tax cuts and fake lakes for visiting politicians while mentally disabled children are being handcuffed by the same guys that arrest murderers is not acceptable. Grow a socialital conscience when you get a chance.

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why is it the guys that are so proud of their "socialital" (I believe you meant "societal") consciences want everyone else to fund this pride?

Yes GB, wanting tax dollars to fund disabled kids (whos fault is it that they are disabled?) is just waste of tax dollars that could go instead to subsidize research into cleaner ways to get oil from the oilsands, I know.

My "societal" pride must be misplaced, excuse me.

I forgive you Bago. It's good that you've finally seen the light. The research into the oilsands would probably end up generating ever more tax dollars that could pay for the social programs you so desperately want, and would glean so much pride from, such that everyone could win. But that would be too perfect, and would be tainted by all of that 'dirty oil", so we can't have that now can we. Nope.

[Bagotricks]

I forgive you Bago. It's good that you've finally seen the light. The research into the oilsands would probably end up generating ever more tax dollars that could pay for the social programs you so desperately want, and would glean so much pride from, such that everyone could win. But that would be too perfect, and would be tainted by all of that 'dirty oil", so we can't have that now can we. Nope.

This one made me laugh in a good way GB. Just generally funny.

So oilsands research first THEN fund disabled kids. Gotcha ;)

[The Green Barbarian]

I forgive you Bago. It's good that you've finally seen the light. The research into the oilsands would probably end up generating ever more tax dollars that could pay for the social programs you so desperately want, and would glean so much pride from, such that everyone could win. But that would be too perfect, and would be tainted by all of that 'dirty oil", so we can't have that now can we. Nope.

This one made me laugh in a good way GB. Just generally funny.

So oilsands research first THEN fund disabled kids. Gotcha ;)

[Ken7]

Here's a leap in logic.

The next time your child misbehaves,You Put him in handcuffs As a means Of discipline.

You be in court for years.

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Not true at all, the law still permitts a shot in the *bleep*. It just limits or protects from whipping the crap out of a child. Look it up!!

[Ken7]

There's ZERO money for gifted children but I don't see their parents screaming about being left out of the loop. They just go with the flow, do what they can, suffer for their kids and try to teach them themselves.

How many people do you want the government (taxpayer) to babysit for you?

There's a limit to how much money the government can spend. Right now, it has overspent and is in debt.

What do you want cut so that the autistic kids can get what you think they need? What makes you think the ones who get their funding cut in favour of the autistic kids will be happy about their loss of bucks?

Your trying to compare kids that are little geniuses without disabilities to those that do have them?

I was never a "genius" but I was considered "gifted" by my school.
Their solution to the fact that I was bored and being held back by the rest of the class was to remove me from class for an hour twice a week to join a completely unstructured environment with other "gifted" kids from other classes and grades.
In my day, this was apparently the best they could come up with. It was a complete waste of time and only added to my boredom. I ended up so bored with school that I became an "average" student based on my grades, but I had several teachers, and a counselor, tell me if I put a little more work into my schooling I'd have a free ride to any University I wanted. At the time, I was so bored after 9 years of having to sit back at the level of my classmates that I couldn't be bothered. I regret it now, but that's sort of how teenagers think.
I was never given the opportunity to succeed by my schools because I was at a higher level than others my age. It made school a waste of time.

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Today they would say you have ADD and smack you up with Ritalin... gifted all right!!

[Ken7]

"I still feel scared of the police," the poor child said. "And whenever I see a cop car, I hold my mom's hand."

I say it worked.

This poor child is now going to fear every policeman he sees.

And you're so arrogant You are Making a joke about it

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He can move to Kelowna, he will fit in with many Castanet posters!!

[grammafreddy]

Your trying to compare kids that are little geniuses without disabilities to those that do have them?

Read my lips (or how about I just type real slow) .................. Y E S .