CONS misleading voters? Say it ain't so. RCMP involved

[Drongoman]

The government is hanging by a string, ™"

I have to hand it to you Bago, your skill at hyperbole is bar none. I hope someone has informed Harper that he's "hanging by a string", I'm sure he'd get a good laugh about it.

At any rate, none of what you are saying is going to happen, this "scandal", like the F-35, is a joke, and though you may be sitting there at home, furiously posting about it, no one else cares.

[Bagotricks]

Robocalls linked to Guelph Tory campaign worker's computer

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... raced.html

Elections Canada has traced a computer from the Conservative campaign in Guelph, Ont., to the account that paid for robocalls that falsely directed voters to the wrong polling station in the last federal election.Newly released court documents show investigator Al Mathews traced a PayPal account used to pay for the robocalls to the same IP address as a computer used by Andrew Prescott, the deputy campaign manager in the riding.

I wonder what they will find in the rest of the ridings?

Sad day for Canada. Do we really believe the "deputy campaign manager" wasn't taking orders from up top - given this isn't the only riding this occurred in?

I read a comment challenging Conservative MP's to stand infront of a War memorial and ask themselves :

"Did they die so I could cheat?"

The investigation continues.

[Punchy MacEconomics]

Robocalls linked to Guelph Tory campaign worker's computer

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2 ... raced.html

Elections Canada has traced a computer from the Conservative campaign in Guelph, Ont., to the account that paid for robocalls that falsely directed voters to the wrong polling station in the last federal election.Newly released court documents show investigator Al Mathews traced a PayPal account used to pay for the robocalls to the same IP address as a computer used by Andrew Prescott, the deputy campaign manager in the riding.

I wonder what they will find in the rest of the ridings?

Sad day for Canada. Do we really believe the "deputy campaign manager" wasn't taking orders from up top - given this isn't the only riding this occurred in?

I read a comment challenging Conservative MP's to stand infront of a War memorial and ask themselves :

"Did they die so I could cheat?"

The investigation continues.

Not surprising to see this outcome. Now the right has to fix elections to win. Not even Chavez does that, that is more of a Putin move.

[Urbane]

Sad day for Canada. Do we really believe the "deputy campaign manager" wasn't taking orders from up top - given this isn't the only riding this occurred in?

I read a comment challenging Conservative MP's to stand infront of a War memorial and ask themselves :

"Did they die so I could cheat?"

The investigation continues.

Last I heard people are innocent until proven guilty. Do you have proof that orders came from up top or are you just speculating? You read a comment that implied the Conservative MP's were cheating. Did the commenter provide proof that the MP's were actually cheating? Why don't we wait until the investigation is completed before pointing fingers? That would be the prudent and the decent thing to do in my opinion.

[Bagotricks]

The investigation just needs to show that this deputy manager accessed the voter logs - the people known not to vote Conservative - from CON HQ. That would mean a conspiracy at the highest levels.

Since this type of behavior allegedly happened in 200 riding's, this really sucks.

What do we do if the government in power got there by fraud?

Left/right BS aside, I'm sorta ashamed to be so complacent.

Are we this passive? Are we this big of suckers? We deserve this type of treatment.

[The Green Barbarian]

Are we this passive? Are we this big of suckers? We deserve this type of treatment.

and yet what really would have changed? There is no way that the useless NDP was going to be elected in the last election, robocalls or not. Really - this doesn't change anything.

[Bagotricks]

Last I heard people are innocent until proven guilty. Do you have proof that orders came from up top or are you just speculating? You read a comment that implied the Conservative MP's were cheating. Did the commenter provide proof that the MP's were actually cheating? Why don't we wait until the investigation is completed before pointing fingers? That would be the prudent and the decent thing to do in my opinion.

Well the MP in Guelph certainly cheated at this point.

How did he access the voter logs at CON HQ? How did the top guys not know about it? Should we ignore 6 years of the tightest caucus control ever seen in Canadian politics by the Conservatives? The CON machine is all about control - except for this little thing? Doubtful.

I *really* do not want this to be true, it makes us all look bad. Truly.

If your going to talk about being decent, I think taunts in the House my Con MP's crying "PROVE IT" are a good place to start. They should have been saying - lets investigate.

[Bagotricks]

and yet what really would have changed? There is no way that the useless NDP was going to be elected in the last election, robocalls or not. Really - this doesn't change anything.

The Conservative majority rests on less than 4000 votes, most in riding's that are under investigation.

Massive election fraud, after Harper just took a 10+ point hit in terms of trust by Canadians in the polls.

[The Green Barbarian]

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[JLives]

Off topic posts have been removed.

[Urbane]

The problem with this topic in general and this thread in particular is that we don't have all the facts yet. Let's be patient and see what the investigation determines. Hopefully those who were playing fast and loose with the voting process will be nabbed and punished accordingly. It's premature to point fingers at this stage though.

[econovan64]

The democratic process is only as great as the people who participate in it.

The problem with this topic in general and this thread in particular is that we don't have all the facts yet. Let's be patient and see what the investigation determines. Hopefully those who were playing fast and loose with the voting process will be nabbed and punished accordingly. It's premature to point fingers at this point though.

Hardly premature when the evidence states so clearly

Newly released court documents show investigator Al Mathews traced a PayPal account used to pay for the robocalls to the same IP address as a computer used by Andrew Prescott, the deputy campaign manager in the riding.

Mathews found that both Prescott and "Pierre Poutine" used the same two IP addresses — one of which belongs to a proxy server that lets users hide their identity — when logging into their accounts with RackNine.

On May 2, 2011 — election day — both clients "accessed RackNine within four minutes of each other," using the same IP address,

As far as finger pointing goes it is quite obvious that Michael Sona has been set up as the fall guy by his own people in Guelph in a feeble attempt to limit the scope of the investigation to Guelph.

The fact that the same tactics have been used in at least 27 other ridings against voters on the Conservative "non supporters" list cannot be ignored.

"These calls are part of a sophisticated, systematic Conservative election fraud scheme,"

Ladies and gentlemen, beyond a doubt the last federal election was rigged. We no longer have a democratically elected government in Canada. Our country has been taken over by a corrupt regime.
Its no wonder Harper felt empowered to change the name of The Government of Canada to The Harper Government.
Welcome to the Fourth Reich!

[econovan64]

Mr. Mathews has also for the first time uncovered evidence that the list of phone numbers Pierre Poutine used to deceive Guelph voters was drawn up using information from the Conservative Party’s internal database of electors. He said the Poutine list was consistent with one found in the party’s constituency information management system.

Its official, access to the Conservative Party’s internal database of electors was provided for use in these criminal acts. This is an officially orchestrated Conservative Party attack on democracy, there is no denying it any longer. There is no greater crime against a nation. Treason I say, its time to act swiftly, jail the *bleep*... all of them,,, clean up this country while we still can.

[The Green Barbarian]

I still don't understand what the big issue is here. How hard is it to find a voting booth on election day? How many votes were actually lost? The NDP never stood a chance of winning, so is the final outcome really that affected? I don't think so.

[econovan64]

I still don't understand what the big issue is here.

Those were the exact words of Karlheinz Schreiber as he was being escorted out of the country.