Bus beheader gets escorted day trips

[Trunk-Monkey]

As much as I understand what this guy did was because he is`sick` from some sort of mental problem. I still think him getting day trips to where ever escorted or not is WRONG. The cost of this IMO is not justified and to be honest if this guy lived in the states he would be on death row. IMO you cannot `fix` him.

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... .htm#75337

Tell me what you think.

[Winston_Smith]

It wouldn't surprise me to see him granted full release back into society in 2-3 years. Due to him being ruled not criminally responsible for the gruesome murder, he will not have a criminal record.

Very tough pill to swallow for the McLean family.

[econovan64]

Hey, remember Yves Trudeau ? The Montreal Hells Angel who murdered over 40 people and did 7 years jail time before being released in witness protection to western Canada where he molested children for 10 years until he was finally put back in jail. He plead guilty to 43 charges of manslaughter which meant he didn't intentionally kill his victims.
Talk about lenient sentencing, they even gave him $40,000 cash and $35 a week for smokes when he was in jail.

The bus beheader is nobody compared to this natural born killer, give him the hall pass, he's harmless!

If ever I'm charged for killing somebody that really needed it, I'll have a list of convicted killers and sentencing precedents that will make me look like a choir boy. They'll put me in a penthouse suite with benefits. What a joke our justice system is. No wonder people like Dexter so much.

[albertabound]

removed - offtopic

[normaM]

He doesn't need excursions. I wonder what the cost is to escort him, more than one escort? Where will he go ? Troubling

[Queen K]

Econovan, you hit the nail on the head with the Dexter reference. I watched exactly half an episode to realize it was just a fantasy outlet for all those or all of us, who would like to just get rid of the real killers. No courts, no police, no missing posters, and we are all SO smart like Dexter, no trail to our door. I tried watching two more episodes but just could not get through a fourth.

[Bagotricks]

As much as I understand what this guy did was because he is`sick` from some sort of mental problem. I still think him getting day trips to where ever escorted or not is WRONG. The cost of this IMO is not justified and to be honest if this guy lived in the states he would be on death row. IMO you cannot `fix` him.

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... .htm#75337

Tell me what you think.

So great to hear our local RCMP have such a great understanding of mental illness considering the RCMP are the front line "janitors" of the mentally ill in society because we have no real care system in place for them.

Death row?

...and if he was on death row that would be akin to Nazi's sending the mentally ill to the death camps to make society a "better place". You might was well hand out noise bylaw tickets to cancer patients for screaming outloud at night while they endure chemo pain.

He is mentally ill. He is not a criminal. He deserves to live life as best as we can manage it without harming society. He is not being punished, he is being maintained, iscolated and treated as best as we can. He has been removed from society and is now supervised and will be for the rest of his life. Professionals have deemed that he can get a pass, walk to the park or store and buy a ice cream cone.

You mention "he cant be fixed" and "its expensive" - so what about people with Downs Syndrome? Other disabilities? They certainly drain away the tax dollars - should we cut their assistants and excursions too? After all - they cant be fixed!

Considering his life will be a sad state of affairs without escape from shadowy mental shades, grow a heart and let him see the sunshine for 20 minutes. He will be escorted anyways.

This is also for the safety of the people who have to look after him. Keeping someone locked in a ward for 10 years will not make him "better" or increase the likelihood of him calming down. It would have the opposite effect. If we can help this guy get better - that is societies job.

We all know he didn't behead that guy for fun or because someone slept with his wife. If you understand that, then you should understand he deserves a good life as best as we can manage.

[econovan64]

While I haven't read the exact details of this mans illness, the behavior smacks of paranoid schizophrenia.
I would assume the incident occurred when the man was not taking his meds, a common problem with mental health patients.
Off his meds hes a dangerous psychotic killer. Its pretty irresponsible to release such a person back into the community. He could easily stop taking his medication and board a bus heading to another province and repeat the performance.

With all the government cutbacks these days you can bet he won't get adequate supervision, perhaps none.

Recall the pedophiles we have had living under supervision in Kelowna. Paid supervision 24 hours a day. All have returned to prison for re offending or breach of conditions. How much did the supervision cost?

They need to guarantee he won't harm anyone, otherwise it will happen again.

[V-Rated]

What a joke our justice system is.

Sad and true.

[Captain Awesome]

Well, there's only one way to guarantee he won't harm anybody in the future...

[Bagotricks]

What a joke our justice system is.

Justice system? Huh?

The man is mentally ill.

Our mental health system is a joke. But that's to keep taxes low.

Just let the RCMP "manage them", give them bus passes and a welfare check and send them packing to slum motels.

When they kill people or do crazy things, lynch them and treat them like criminals.

Meanwhile cancer patients get free meals, free rides, discounts, fund raisers, galas, wards in hospitals, countless charity help, financial help and social understanding.

[Trunk-Monkey]

So great to hear our local RCMP have such a great understanding of mental illness considering the RCMP are the front line "janitors" of the mentally ill in society because we have no real care system in place for them.

Death row?

...and if he was on death row that would be akin to Nazi's sending the mentally ill to the death camps to make society a "better place". You might was well hand out noise bylaw tickets to cancer patients for screaming outloud at night while they endure chemo pain.

He is mentally ill. He is not a criminal. He deserves to live life as best as we can manage it without harming society. He is not being punished, he is being maintained, iscolated and treated as best as we can. He has been removed from society and is now supervised and will be for the rest of his life. Professionals have deemed that he can get a pass, walk to the park or store and buy a ice cream cone.

You mention "he cant be fixed" and "its expensive" - so what about people with Downs Syndrome? Other disabilities? They certainly drain away the tax dollars - should we cut their assistants and excursions too? After all - they cant be fixed!

Considering his life will be a sad state of affairs without escape from shadowy mental shades, grow a heart and let him see the sunshine for 20 minutes. He will be escorted anyways.

This is also for the safety of the people who have to look after him. Keeping someone locked in a ward for 10 years will not make him "better" or increase the likelihood of him calming down. It would have the opposite effect. If we can help this guy get better - that is societies job.

We all know he didn't behead that guy for fun or because someone slept with his wife. If you understand that, then you should understand he deserves a good life as best as we can manage.

You are entitled to your opinion as am I. Remember I come here representing myself not anyone else so please do not throw that out there...you know better.
Second I understand mental illness. I stated the man was mentally ill in my OP. What I do not understand is why he should get day passes and the like. Sorry but the victim here....wont get any.
And your comparisons to cancer patients screaming out in pain....well frankly is not called for, again you know better.
This man is sick and yes he deserves to have a life..but my children and society deserve to be safe as well. I dont want this guy out to harm another innocent person...EVER and IMO allowing him out of the confines of the secure facility he is in makes this a possibility.
Just because our society has nothing they can do with the mentally ill....does not mean they should be granted a pass for all of the things they did while sick. If so....well I am sure you are smart enough to figure that out.

[V-Rated]

Our mental health system is a joke. But that's to keep taxes low.

Just let the RCMP "manage them", give them bus passes and a welfare check and send them packing to slum motels.
So they can re-offend?
When they kill people or do crazy things, lynch them and treat them like criminals.
Killing someone IS a criminal act
Meanwhile cancer patients get free meals, free rides, discounts, fund raisers, galas, wards in hospitals, countless charity help, financial help and social understanding
Where do they get free meals, rides, discounts, etc.?
As for fund raising, no harm in that... hospital wards, they have maternity ones too - should that be banned?.

Seriously? I sure hope you are being sarcastic.

[Captain Awesome]

Killing someone IS a criminal act

Not if your brains are wired upside down and voices tell you things.

[Bagotricks]

Second I understand mental illness. I stated the man was mentally ill in my OP. What I do not understand is why he should get day passes and the like. Sorry but the victim here....wont get any.

And your comparisons to cancer patients screaming out in pain....well frankly is not called for, again you know better.
This man is sick and yes he deserves to have a life..but my children and society deserve to be safe as well. I don't want this guy out to harm another innocent person...EVER and IMO allowing him out of the confines of the secure facility he is in makes this a possibility.
Just because our society has nothing they can do with the mentally ill....does not mean they should be granted a pass for all of the things they did while sick. If so....well I am sure you are smart enough to figure that out.

You are not a trained metal health professional, nor a expert in risk assessment. Do you not think that due to the fact this man decapitated someone that they would scrutinize his application for day passes? Do you think it was a haphazard process?

You say you understand mental illness. This man was off his meds for weeks. Nothing would have happened otherwise. If you understood the situation, you would not be manufacturing fear "for your kid in society" with this guy being escorted to the store. He is forced to take his med's daily. Get it?

You say "the victim". There was no crime committed. Your understanding of the situation is quickly diminishing. The person that was decapitated was involved in a "accident", if we are going to define it.

If you understand this man is not a criminal and that he is ill - and experts have allowed him (after assessing his risks) to let him out once in awhile in *hopes* we can salvage what little of his sad life is left and allow him some sort of "life".

Your post reeks of notions of "punishment". I don't believe you understand the situation.