Bus beheader gets escorted day trips

[econovan64]

I'm more concerned of this guy getting day parole David Shearing aka David Ennis

Shearing will never see the light of day outside of prison. His acts were deliberate and calculated. He has nothing going in his favor at all.

[GordonH]

I'm more concerned of this guy getting day parole David Shearing aka David Ennis

Shearing will never see the light of day outside of prison. His acts were deliberate and calculated. He has nothing going in his favor at all.

My it be so, its shame that every few years he's able cause bad memories to be resurface. 25 years for each person life he took with no parole hearing at all.

[steven lloyd]

You should check out the show "Person of Interest" ...

Very good show.

[steven lloyd]

If the funding and structure is like the rest of our health care system, then just saying it is "under-funded", like the bozos that were responsible for the "Romanow Commission", isn't good enough. Where is it under-funded? Is it just more union spin and blarney that it is under-funded? Also - like our school systems, there probably is a good case to be made that the entire structure is top heavy in administration and underweight in actual worker bees. Instead of just being lazy and crying about "more money" and "tax breaks", how about we actually look at our current systems in place, and see why no matter how much money is thrown at it, and no matter how much budgets are increased, there is the constant bleat from the uber-left and the entitled that the system is "under-funded". That's just not good enough. We need to know what is broken, where the current funding is going, and fix it, before we just dump more money in. We deserve better.

You actually came very close to coming right out and identifying where these systems (mental health, forensics and criminal justice) fail and are underfunded, which ironically is exactly what the so-called uber-left researchers and analysts have identified. Then you dismissed your own insight as “uber-left bleat”. As governments cut keep cutting positions of the “actual worker bees” they say we can’t afford (possibly because of ill-advised tax cuts) and the inevitable crisis’s and tragedies continue to occur due to increases in already massive and unmanageable caseloads, their response has been to hire more managers and bureaucrats and appoint more deputy ministers to study the problem when all they have ever had to really do is support the people who are already doing the real difficult work.

Contrary to some of the opinions expressed in various threads across this board, these people (mental health workers, forensic case workers, probation officers, etc.) didn’t pursue this very challenging type of work because it meant having a “cushy” (LOLOL) union job. Quite the contrary, in fact. And in spite of the challenges we face every day working with this very difficult client type, one of the biggest challenges we face is working under and within a highly inefficient and top heavy bureaucracy that starts at the party in power (larger under the BC Liberals than any previous government).

Does it cost money to hire more workers? Well of course it does. Does it cost money to get regular oil changes in your brand new car? What happens when we don’t do that? There are some things we need to collectively spend money on for the overall safety and well-being of our communities and society as a whole. Obviously no system will be perfect, but we could be doing far better than we are and we are not really saving any money by not doing so (and we don’t need any more managers, bureaucrats or to appoint any more deputy ministers to study the problem). Maybe you think these issues, challenges and risks could be more effectively addressed by the private sector in a for-profit model. How would that work do you think?

I would suggest our current efforts at saving cost are actually increasing societal costs – and risk. For example, I know that we are spending huge dollars right now in some areas hiring and training people to replace the already trained and experienced people we lost during the reckless cuts made earlier. These people cannot yet fully do the work as they are still being trained and we are paying huge dollars in overtime to people who are both training new hires and still managing huge caseloads (we stopped doing the freebie stuff because the government wouldn’t acknowledge a problem existed until they actually had to start paying overtime and start re-hiring). Add to that the backlogs in the Courts that have been created over the last ten years, criminals walking free because of lack of due process and mentally disordered offenders slipping through the government created cracks in the system and more innocent victims. This is the reality. Is this something we want to collectively acknowledge and address, or do we still want to pretend this is all some kind of unionist ploy (union spin and blarney ) to increase membership?

To the thread topic, there is no way to explain (to those who would choose to not even try and understand) what kind of psychotic hell schizophrenics live with inside their minds. I can’t presume to actually know myself, but I have done enough work with them to formulate a pretty good idea (note also that while only about ten percent of schizophrenics become criminally violent, that is the sub group I exclusively come across in my work). Could this tragedy have been prevented? While there are no guarantees I can guarantee you a much better job could have been done in monitoring and managing this man’s behaviour in the community were resources not stretched so thin, and no number of extra managers, bureaucrats or additional deputy ministers studying the problem would have made the difference that a few extra worker-bees might have.

Is this man criminally responsible for his actions? Sorry folks but not a chance. Again, there is no way to explain this (to those who would choose to not even try and understand) but his brain is “broken”. Does that mean I think he should get a free pass? No – this man is dangerous and will need to be monitored 24/7 for the rest of his life. It is not his fault he is so dangerous, but that doesn’t change the fact he is and will always remain potentially so.

[logicalview]

A few gems from the killer himself...

Q. Do you understand why people are scared of you?

A. Yes. I don't think I will ever do it again. I didn't know at that time I had schizophrenia. Now I do.

He doesn't "think" that he'll ever do "it" again.

Q. Some say the RCMP should have killed you that night.

A. I should have been killed at that time. I still believe that. But I am thankful that the RCMP didn't.

Too bad you didn't take matters into your own hands - before the massacre.

Q. If you ever got out of the Selkirk Mental Health Centre, what would you do?

A. I hope to leave one day, but I have to make sure it wouldn't happen again. That there would be no voices. I would change my name to be anonymous. But I would still be in touch with my doctor.

How about changing your name from Vince Li to Lop Yee Headoff



Vince Li - More proof that the criminal justice system is a total embarrassment.

According to witnesses, McLean was sleeping with his headphones on when the man sitting next to him suddenly produced a large knife and began stabbing McLean in the neck and chest. The attacker then decapitated McLean and displayed his severed head to other passengers outside who had fled the bus in horror. The driver and two other men attempted to rescue McLean but were chased away by Li, who slashed wildly at them from behind the locked bus doors. Li then went back to the body and began severing other body parts and consuming some of McLean's flesh.

[mexicalidreamer]

And throw away the key.

[econovan64]

Not an isolated case it seems.

http://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/75533/Canadian-tourists-killed-for-smokes

[Trunk-Monkey]

IMO saying this guy is not guilty because he is mentally ill is wrong. He FORGOT or DID NOT take his medication for days. Thats like saying a drunk driver is not guilty of killing someone he smashes into while on the road because he was too drunk to know he should not drive. This driver made a choice to get drunk and then he drove while drunk. Saying this man is not guilty of a crime because he forgot to or did not take his meds is a cop out. He chose not to take them just as the drunk driver chose to drink... What happens when he forgets or chooses not to yet again.

[Bagotricks]

IMO saying this guy is not guilty because he is mentally ill is wrong. He FORGOT or DID NOT take his medication for days. Thats like saying a drunk driver is not guilty of killing someone he smashes into while on the road because he was too drunk to know he should not drive. This driver made a choice to get drunk and then he drove while drunk. Saying this man is not guilty of a crime because he forgot to or did not take his meds is a cop out. He chose not to take them just as the drunk driver chose to drink... What happens when he forgets or chooses not to yet again.

He is still mentally ill without the pills in his system. They are not "magic pills". He is schizophrenic without the pills.

He is not guilty because he is mentally ill, not because "he forgot to take his pills".

Your understanding of mental illness continues to be disturbing, considering your profession.

[CorkSoaker]

IMO saying this guy is not guilty because he is mentally ill is wrong. He FORGOT or DID NOT take his medication for days. Thats like saying a drunk driver is not guilty of killing someone he smashes into while on the road because he was too drunk to know he should not drive. This driver made a choice to get drunk and then he drove while drunk. Saying this man is not guilty of a crime because he forgot to or did not take his meds is a cop out. He chose not to take them just as the drunk driver chose to drink... What happens when he forgets or chooses not to yet again.

He forgot to take his medication because there was no medication to take. At the time of the incident he was an undiagnosed schizophrenic.

Edit to add: From reading other threads I take it that you are a police officer or some related position so I'd expect a better understanding of the courts and the justice system. He was found not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder. This means that he accepted that the offense occurred and the he committed it, but was unable to establish the requisite mens rea. So he is guilty of the act, he is just not criminally responsible for it. Go read a book and give your head a shake.

[Trunk-Monkey]

He is still mentally ill without the pills in his system. They are not "magic pills". He is schizophrenic without the pills.

He is not guilty because he is mentally ill, not because "he forgot to take his pills".

Your understanding of mental illness continues to be disturbing, considering your profession.

And your seemingly "he deserves to live a happy life" attitude disturbs me considering the guy chopped someones head off and started to eat him. :eyeballspin:
Remorse or not, mentally I'll or not the fact is the VICTIM here will never be happy or disturbed again. Again you,bring my profession up, when I have clearly stated I am speaking from my personal feelings. Those dont play into my job, more often than not i cannot afford to let personal feeling play in any part of my job. Impartial feelings right.....

[Trunk-Monkey]

Edit to add: From reading other threads I take it that you are a police officer or some related position so I'd expect a better understanding of the courts and the justice system. He was found not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder. This means that he accepted that the offense occurred and the he committed it, but was unable to establish the requisite mens rea. So he is guilty of the act, he is just not criminally responsible for it. Go read a book and give your head a shake.

I know exactly how the courts work and how our judicial system handles the mentally ill. I am not saying he is a criminal. I am saying he should not be given day passes or any passes for that matter. Now go give your head a shake and read my posts more carefully before commenting...

[Bagotricks]

And your seemingly "he deserves to live a happy life" attitude disturbs me considering the guy chopped someones head off and started to eat him. :eyeballspin:
Remorse or not, mentally I'll or not the fact is the VICTIM here will never be happy or disturbed again. Again you,bring my profession up, when I have clearly stated I am speaking from my personal feelings. Those dont play into my job, more often than not i cannot afford to let personal feeling play in any part of my job. Impartial feelings right.....

He is sick. He didn't "want to cut someones head of and eat them". That was the disease. Infact he is a victim as well since your so concerned about the victim label. He has to wake up everyday and know he decapitated a innocent person. Not rightfully a guilty feeling, not remorse - that is the body/mind he was given and its broken. Just like a guy in a wheelchair - he cant do anything about it.

You routinely separate "your personal feelings" from "the job".

So by that logic would you let your kid spend the afternoon with a pedophile priest? Don't worry though, his love of little boys is SEPARATE from his professional work attitude and the two don't mix.

...and that is why you going off about this mentally ill man is disturbing. You are required to use your brain and judgment during your workday at your mind/judgment seems skewed

[Smurf]

In see where you are both coming from, however I do not see how any police officer could help but have personal feelings that would at some time, under some circumstance would not conflict with their job. That also goes for social workers and many other professions who work with the public day in and day out. I'm sure Steven would say he runs into that (I could be wrong). You just have to know what is expected of you and take that road no matter what your true feelings are. I can't imagine a cop without personal feelings and I doubt we would want him to be a cop.

[Trunk-Monkey]

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So by that logic would you let your kid spend the afternoon with a pedophile priest? Don't worry though, his love of little boys is SEPARATE from his professional work attitude and the two don't mix.

...and that is why you going off about this mentally ill man is disturbing. You are required to use your brain and judgment during your workday at your mind/judgment seems skewed

Logic and judgement is used on a regular basis...personal feelings aside. As far as a pedophile priest???? Listen not all priests are pedophiles and you know that. Would I feel comfortable with my son with any older aldult alone for an afternoon....no..but thats just kinda fella I am...
To say my judgement is skewed...is to say you know me personally...you dont. You have never seen me have to make a judgement call or bettter yet a life or death decision so please dont comment of Sh*t you know nothing about.