Wake up Canada!

[zzontar]

Out of curiousity Nab, do you think in the days where people who didn't want to go to war in Viet Nam and fled to Canada that the Americans should have been able to chase them into Canada and bring them home to jail?

[twobits]

Everyone just twist a fatty and relax. There is more good to this bill than bad. Nothing is ever perfect.

[twobits]

Out of curiousity Nab, do you think in the days where people who didn't want to go to war in Viet Nam and fled to Canada that the Americans should have been able to chase them into Canada and bring them home to jail?

Too bad they didn't. We'd have a whole lot less entitlment seeking occupiers.

[The Green Barbarian]

You will not be laughing much when your kids or grandkids or nieces or a nephew get tossed in jail for growing 6 marijuana plants. .

If I find out they are doing something that stupid, they better hope that the cops get to them first. Jail is going to be the least of their worries.

[The Green Barbarian]

Public pensions... he wants to move the retirement age from 65 to 67.?

Given how long people are living, and staying incredibly healthy, they should have made the age 70. We can't afford even the bump to only 67. I work with a 70 year old guy, and he's one of our best employees, definitely better than all the young 20 year old kids who have grown up in a society where work isn't valued any more, and "personal enjoyment" is what life is all about. He's also in amazing shape too. The last thing he wants is to sit on his rump earning a government pension and playing pinochle all day long.

[NAB]

There have been lots of comments in these forums in the last six years by folk complaining about the direction the economy was going, and that they felt they had no hope of being able to retire at 65, let alone earlier - so what's the beef with raising the cap two years for the government's part in it? Particularly in that the changes now give them improved hope of the government of the day still being able to help support them in retirement. Lots of people have been retiring early with government pension benefits at age 60 over the past 20 years, and that was obviously unsustainable unless some minor changes were made in the points at which folk could start drawing their gov't pension(s). Not that anyone could manage on them alone anyway, ...or ever will be able to it appears.

Nab

[butcher99]

Sounds pretty good to me considering the alternatives. Except that "he wants to let Americans into Canada to hunt who they wish" is just hyperbole and nonsense. Not that I have any problem with border police and authorities on either side being allowed to pursue and collar the bad guys, without having to let them get away due to some imaginary line in the dirt.

As for the comment above about my kids and grandkids. Not sure what this omnibus bill has do do with growing 6 marijuana plants, but if any of my kids or grandkids got involved with illicit drugs and related crime I would turn them in to the cops myself.

Nab

That is because you just jumped on, or stayed on the tory bandwagon and did not bother to find out what is in it. 6 marijuana plants is where the cut off is. At 6 it is a mandatory 6 month jail sentence. This is one of the many little goodies buried in the bill.

[butcher99]

There have been lots of comments in these forums in the last six years by folk complaining about the direction the economy was going, and that they felt they had no hope of being able to retire at 65, let alone earlier - so what's the beef with raising the cap two years for the government's part in it? Particularly in that the changes now give them improved hope of the government of the day still being able to help support them in retirement. Lots of people have been retiring early with government pension benefits at age 60 over the past 20 years, and that was obviously unsustainable unless some minor changes were made in the points at which folk could start drawing their gov't pension(s). Not that anyone could manage on them alone anyway, ...or ever will be able to it appears.

Nab

The only people saying there was a problem was the tory government. All the economists said there is no problem. It was a solution to which there was no problem. The other side of this is that if people work to 67 that is 2 more years where someone else does not get the promotion or the job that would have resulted from that person retiring. Simplistic solutions for non-existing problems just create problems

[The Green Barbarian]

That is because you just jumped on, or stayed on the tory bandwagon and did not bother to find out what is in it. 6 marijuana plants is where the cut off is. At 6 it is a mandatory 6 month jail sentence. This is one of the many little goodies buried in the bill.

Pretty simple solution - DON'T GROW MARIJUANA!

[The Green Barbarian]

The other side of this is that if people work to 67 that is 2 more years where someone else does not get the promotion or the job that would have resulted from that person retiring. Simplistic solutions for non-existing problems just create problems

And yet this is an extremely simplistic view of the overall situation. Just because someone works in a job a further two years, does not mean that if they retired, that the job would automatically be handed to someone else. Not everyone (thank goodness) works in a government or unionized environment. In the real world, people have to earn their promotions, it isn't just handed to you because you've been moistening a chair in the same department for longer than everyone else.

[steven lloyd]

Just because someone works in a job a further two years, does not mean that if they retired, that the job would automatically be handed to someone else. Not everyone (thank goodness) works in a government or unionized environment.

:137:

In the real world, people have to earn their promotions, it isn't just handed to you because you've been moistening a chair in the same department for longer than everyone else.

Wow! Like, just wow! :127:

[NAB]

That is because you just jumped on, or stayed on the tory bandwagon and did not bother to find out what is in it. 6 marijuana plants is where the cut off is. At 6 it is a mandatory 6 month jail sentence. This is one of the many little goodies buried in the bill.

Are you sure you are not getting two entirely separate pieces of legislation confused butcher? But if you can point me to where anything to do with 6 mj plants and jail time is buried in this bill I'll give you a tip of my hat. Besides, as was discussed ad nauseum in the various mj threads, growing 6 mj plants DOES NOT necessarily result in a mandatory 6 month jail sentence.

But anyway, if you cannot show me how this omnibus bill has anything to do with the repercussions from growing more than 5 mj plants, then kindly take your views on that matter to an appropriate thread.

Nab

[butcher99]

That is because you just jumped on, or stayed on the tory bandwagon and did not bother to find out what is in it. 6 marijuana plants is where the cut off is. At 6 it is a mandatory 6 month jail sentence. This is one of the many little goodies buried in the bill.

Pretty simple solution - DON'T GROW MARIJUANA![/quote]

Even simpler solution, legalize it. Just like you or your friend did, kids will use it and grow it. Eventually some of them will get caught.

[butcher99]

[quote="NAB"
Are you sure you are not getting two entirely separate pieces of legislation confused butcher? But if you can point me to where anything to do with 6 mj plants and jail time is buried in this bill I'll give you a tip of my hat. Besides, as was discussed ad nauseum in the various mj threads, growing 6 mj plants DOES NOT necessarily result in a mandatory 6 month jail sentence.

But anyway, if you cannot show me how this omnibus bill has anything to do with the repercussions from growing more than 5 mj plants, then kindly take your views on that matter to an appropriate thread.

Nab[/quote]
In this bill, that is the case. It is buried in the hard on crime area of the bill. And mandatory jail time does necessarily mean a 6 month jail sentence. That is where the mandatory part comes in.

[butcher99]

[quote="NAB"

Are you sure you are not getting two entirely separate pieces of legislation confused butcher? But if you can point me to where anything to do with 6 mj plants and jail time is buried in this bill I'll give you a tip of my hat. Besides, as was discussed ad nauseum in the various mj threads, growing 6 mj plants DOES NOT necessarily result in a mandatory 6 month jail sentence.

But anyway, if you cannot show me how this omnibus bill has anything to do with the repercussions from growing more than 5 mj plants, then kindly take your views on that matter to an appropriate thread.

Nab[/quote]
Since this is in the bill, this is the appropriate place. The problem with the bill is that it is so huge that stuff like this have been slipped in and did not get the attention it deserved.

Now i am not going to read that bill just to pick out one or two items for you but here is a quote from CBC.ca. I am sure you can do your own searches if this is not good enough for you.


The Conservative government says it means business when it comes to fighting marijuana growers, but there's a nudge-nudge, wink-wink feeling in B.C. over Ottawa's plans to jail people caught growing six marijuana plants.