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SmokeOnTheWater wrote:That's funny. Pretty much everyone knows that Québec hasn't talked about separation in ages. Pretty much everyone knows that the shift from Bloc to NDP was a sign of wanting a change. They voted for Jack. As for Marois, she didn't win majority. Again, Québec wanted a change. But not separation. She's the only one talking about it. It's quite comical to watch actually.
What would Mulcair gain with separation ?



Mulcair has already come out promoting Quebec separation, and trying to make it easier for Quebec to separate. He's pandering to the swing back to the PQ provincially to keep his Quebec support base, whether it's detrimental to Canada as a whole or not.

Anyone supporting Mulcair and the NDP are supporting the break up of Canada as a country.




Duhaime: Separatist pledge by NDP leader may come back to haunt him

By Eric Duhaime, QMI Agency

Friday, February 1, 2013 5:46:54 EST PM

Thomas Mulcair’s New Democratic Party is obviously more socialist than federalist.

Some people, including my friend and colleague Brian Lilley, were shocked this week to learn this the hard way.

The NDP had to show its true colours in the House of Commons last Monday when it put on the table its “unity bill” to repeal the Clarity Act.

Mulcair’s party had to introduce such a piece of legislation after the Bloc Quebecois proposed to scrap the Clarity Act altogether.

As you’ll recall, the Clarity Act has never been popular in Quebec.

Based on the advice of the Supreme Court, the act specifies that the federal government would only have to negotiate the breakup of the country if a clear majority of Quebecers voted “Yes” on a clear referendum question.

In the last federal election, the NDP made a historic breakthrough by courting Bloc Quebecois supporters.

New Democrats told voters that their party’s national unity program, known as the Sherbrooke Declaration, stipulated that 50% plus one is a sufficient majority for Quebec to secede.

By the end of the campaign, when the NDP was skyrocketing in the polls, then-party leader Jack Layton even publicly flirted with the idea of reopening the constitution. Like it or not, the NDP’s strategy succeeded.

Bloquistes were seduced and La Belle Province had a huge Orange Crush.

Even if it took the NDP half a century to win a single seat in a general election in Quebec, the party founded by Tommy Douglas now has a “clear majority” of its caucus in Quebec, where it won 59 seats in May 2011 compared to 44 in the rest of Canada.

Some of its most prominent MPs are now people with a long track record of separatist activism who still refuse, to this day, to tell us if they are in favour or not of Quebec’s independence.

Mulcair cannot backtrack today on the Sherbrooke Declaration without risking an implosion of his caucus and a freefall in the polls within his new stronghold.

No matter whether he personally agrees with it or not, he is condemned to wade into the constitutional swamp with the 50% plus one rule still present in his “unity bill.”

Some could laugh at him, as did the father of the Clarity Act, Liberal MP Stephane Dion, because the internal NDP constitution requires a two-third vote to be amended — even to simply drop the word “socialism” from it as we learned at the latest party convention — while for the party, just a vote of 50-plus-one is enough to break up the country.

It sounds completely stupid and incoherent when you put it this way. It comes across as if the future of the Canadian federation is less important for the NDP than its pet socialist ideal.

But, like the Conservatives in Brian Mulroney’s days, the NDP is today a coalition that includes Quebec nationalists and this requires a few acrobatics.

Politics is the art of contorting to convince more people to vote for you, not the science of being consistent.

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Rwede wrote:Mulcair has already come out promoting Quebec separation, and trying to make it easier for Quebec to separate. He's pandering to the swing back to the PQ provincially to keep his Quebec support base, whether it's detrimental to Canada as a whole or not.
Anyone supporting Mulcair and the NDP are supporting the break up of Canada as a country.


Québecers didn't vote for Jack because they wanted to separate. They wanted a change from Duceppe.
So I guess everyone will vote NDP. Everyone is sick of Québec. No ?
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Yes Congads steve a skillfull politician you have become .Handled well not so robotic.Hes cool but not so nasty you hate him.I love the way BUSH called him STEVE.I never believed he would do 1 thing for the hard religious right.He is more liberal than Barack Obama.Hes kept his idiots muzzled.Problem is hes on the wrong side.The Big C fail was chopping the gst 1 measly percent .Blowing the bank and forcing us to rape the country for cash.Steve will go down in history as meh not ahhhh! like mulrooney did.
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    steven lloyd wrote:Those are good points Urbane. Like Merry, I definitely had some concerns with the lack of debate over the omnibus bills – about the only credible point being made in the “idle no more” protests – but as you point out, that could very well be just as much a systemic problem. As for moving the OAS from 65 to 67 it only makes sense. Something has to be done to keep the system sustainable and that’s at least one step while still giving people plenty of time to adjust to the change. We still need to look at other ideas from both the cost-cutting and revenue-increasing sides of the equation but that is a necessary start. No Prime Minister is going to be perfect and it certainly seems that for most the longer they are around the greater the criticism levelled their way. For myself, in spite of what criticisms I could level here (but not going to) I’ve really come to appreciate the job the Harper government has done overall in managing the state of our nation under current global circumstances.
Well said. The Harper government hasn't been perfect and it hasn't been flashy but it has been remarkably steady. Stephen Harper established a government that supposedly had a secret agenda that would see troops in the streets, same-sex marriage overturned, and abortion outlawed, but instead we've gotten a fiscally conservative government (relatively speaking) that has kept us on course. And from a political standpoint the Conservative Party is now something of a centrist party with the NDP and Liberals fighting it out out on the left. As things stand right now I like the Conservatives' chances in the next election. So for the most part, well done Prime Minister Harper.
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Steve did a great job. The Canadian public wanted Mike Duffy's head on a platter, with an apple in his mouth no less. Up stepped Brazeau just in time and Steve has thrown him to the masses and the media for them to tear to pieces. All those years that Duffy, and Pamela Wallin, did cream puff stories on the Conservatives have earned them a lifetime "get out of jail free" card. Not amount of expense scamming could possibly overshadow Brazeau's domestic violence image.

Matter taken are of. Now let's get back to getting rich by selling off the country.
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Did we all forget it was The Liberals that allowed Canada to weather this economic storm?

Our bank laws that Harper wanted to loosen?

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SurplusElect wrote:Surplus?

If you look at what Sephane Dion was promising to do compared to Stephan Harper, I'd say we'd be far worse shape under the Liberals. Same goes for Martin who did not show the same fiscal restraint that Chretien did.
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    Glacier wrote:If you look at what Sephane Dion was promising to do compared to Stephan Harper, I'd say we'd be far worse shape under the Liberals. Same goes for Martin who did not show the same fiscal restraint that Chretien did.
And the Trudeau government spent us into near oblivion. John Turner, who resigned from Trudeau's cabinet, in a recent interview said that Trudeau thought he knew a lot about economics but he didn't. So while we can credit the Liberals from helping to get us out of trouble that the Liberals themselves caused we certainly need to credit the current government for showing some fiscal responsibility during difficult financial times.
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Glacier wrote:If you look at what Sephane Dion was promising to do compared to Stephan Harper, I'd say we'd be far worse shape under the Liberals.


Injecting the hypothetical is pretty weak. So let's have some fun!

If we relaxed baNking rules (and done other things), as Stephen Harper wanted, where would we be now?

Oh right, we'd be Iraq with Canadians dieing, looking for WMD's with F-35's that don't fly and the country would be broke.
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So while we can credit the Liberals from helping to get us out of trouble that the Liberals themselves caused we certainly need to credit the current government for showing some fiscal responsibility during difficult financial times.


:dyinglaughing: Harper inherited a 13 Billion dollar surplus in 2006/7. What is it now??????
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SurplusElect wrote:If we relaxed baking rules (and done other things), as Stephen Harper wanted, where would we be now?


Knee-deep in muffins.
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Captain Awesome wrote:Knee-deep in muffins.


Lol muffins that fell flat!

Nice one ;)
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" I, too, am one of these angry westerners ... We may love Canada but Canada does not love us ... Let's make ( Alberta ) strong enough that the rest of the country is afraid to threathen us . "

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Congratulations Mr.Harper ! Omnibus Bills work wonders.You are well on your way to achieve your goal. How are the pandas doing ?
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SmokeOnTheWater wrote:How are the pandas doing ?


We got Panda's and they hacked our government computers, got our oil and bribe our politicians.

Seems fair.
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    GrooveTunes wrote: :dyinglaughing: Harper inherited a 13 Billion dollar surplus in 2006/7. What is it now??????
The books were balanced and then along came the 2008 global meltdown and we were forced to run deficits. I would have thought you would know that. What do you think Harper should actually have done?
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