Goodbye CBC!

[kgcayenne]

I've been reading novels from the 1880s recently, and I've noticed that many of the conversations are much the same as they are here. I won't get into a character analysis, but I will say that the hastening move toward private enterprise away from public interests is not all it is cracked up to be.

People will always seek their own interests at an accelerated pace when they have access to more control and power. It happens on the left and on the right, so just like OREZ, I've checked-out of having any sort of faith in the political machine, they're just people who suck at doing what's truly beneficial on a whole.

[logicalview]

People will always seek their own interests at an accelerated pace when they have access to more control and power. It happens on the left and on the right, so just like OREZ, I've checked-out of having any sort of faith in the political machine, they're just people who suck at doing what's truly beneficial on a whole.

I would agree with this. When I see the BC NDP just saying NOOOOOO!!! all of the time, no matter what the proposal, it's obvious that they do not have the interests of the public at heart. The same goes for the Republicans in the US right now. All they are interested in doing is obstructing anything and everything instead of considering what's best for the people they represent. And not surprisingly both parties are on the outside looking in, and probably will be for a long time to come.

[OREZ]

LV, what you seem to want is a governing party whose views are completely in line with yours and no other dissenting parties to ever question them, AND no public broadcaster - or for that matter, any broadcaster - to allow reporters to have the nerve to hold their feet to the fire or even ask difficult or embarrassing questions. You want a country run by some *bleep* like Kevin O'Leary or Donald Trump and a bunch of yes-men whom you can cheer on and for everyone to affirm how wonderful it is on the Castanet forum... or you'll continue to stamp your feet and cry like a spoiled little girl.

This country is simply too liberal and tolerant for you and has far too much diversity. However, it's clear that you're not at all persuasive in communicating your opinions except in the sense that you seem to persuade people who already don't agree with you (in other words, the majority) to become completely repulsed and dig their heals in even more.

It's a free country (at least, that's what they tell me) go ahead and shout at people all day long if you like. Just don't be too disappointed if and when you come to the realization that you did nothing but drive people away from understanding anything about your point of view.

[logicalview]

LV, what you seem to want is a governing party whose views are completely in line with yours

Doesn't everyone want that? Otherwise why vote? And they don't have to completely be in line with my views, no party is ever going to do that, and that's ok.

and no other dissenting parties to ever question them, AND no public broadcaster - or for that matter, any broadcaster - to allow reporters to have the nerve to hold their feet to the fire or even ask difficult or embarrassing questions.

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. I think one of the roles of a free press is to do just that and hold politicians feet to the fire. ALL politicians. You can't molly-coddle Trudeau and then attack Harper and claim you aren't biased. Of course the media is biased. I said that the Republicans in the US and the NDP in BC are similar in that they are the party of NOOO and that is one reason neither is ever going to be elected with their current policies. I also think that the Republicans are vilified and rightly so in the US by the media, but I don't seem them really doing their job with Obama. They let him off the hook all the time, instead of doing any real investigating, and I find that bias terrible.

You want a country run by some *bleep* like Kevin O'Leary or Donald Trump and a bunch of yes-men whom you can cheer on and for everyone to affirm how wonderful it is on the Castanet forum...

If you read O'Leary's books, you'd see that the "*bleep*" persona is an act he puts on for TV, and for the bone-headed and weak-minded who buy into that persona as entertainment. But that's beside the point. What I want running our country is someone qualified who has everyone's best interests at heart. Not just unions. Not just psychotic enviro-nuts. Everyone.

or you'll continue to stamp your feet and cry like a spoiled little girl.

I see a lot of feet stamping going on here on Castanet, and it's almost always by the same crew of radical nutjobs. If there is nothing actual to complain about, they invent something to complain about.

This country is simply too liberal and tolerant for you and has far too much diversity.

LOL - and yet we have a Conservative government so obviously you are wrong in terms of it being "too" liberal. At least we aren't so socialist and stupid that we are like those boneheads in Scandinavia or Venezuela, and thank goodness for that.

However, it's clear that you're not at all persuasive in communicating your opinions except in the sense that you seem to persuade people who already don't agree with you (in other words, the majority) to become completely repulsed and dig their heals in even more.

Dig their heals (sic) in even more about what? Being a radical leftist? These people have either been brain-washed or they are ignorant and lazy. A guy posting on Castanet isn't going to change their tiny minds. At least here they are exposed to a different way and mindset. I find for the most part radical leftists are shocked when they are called on their BS, because they spend most of their time with other radical nuts and losers, who feed their horrible views, be it at the coffee shop or at the University or at their dead-end government job. It's good they get a dose of reality once in awhile.

It's a free country (at least, that's what they tell me) go ahead and shout at people all day long if you like.

Shout at them eh? Ok...and you go ahead and spout nonsense all day.

Just don't be too disappointed if and when you come to the realization that you did nothing but drive people away from understanding anything about your point of view.

LOL - I won't be disappointed. Every radical leftist that I can expose as a liar and bonehead is a beautiful thing.

[hobbyguy]

Ever notice that 90%+ of the world are "radical leftists"? Does that tell you anything?

[Merry]

It is the job of the Official Opposition to oppose. If they don't do that, then they're not serving their official purpose.

Our entire democratic system relies on debate between opposing views, because that is the way potential flaws in legislation often get revealed. It is a type of "check and balance" that, while sometimes annoying, is absolutely essential. So I have to disagree with you logical, when you say you dislike political parties which hold what you consider to be overly negative views. Offering a contrary opinion is what they're supposed to be doing.

[XT225]

It is the job of the Official Opposition to oppose. If they don't do that, then they're not serving their official purpose.

Our entire democratic system relies on debate between opposing views, because that is the way potential flaws in legislation often get revealed. It is a type of "check and balance" that, while sometimes annoying, is absolutely essential. So I have to disagree with you logical, when you say you dislike political parties which hold what you consider to be overly negative views. Offering a contrary opinion is what they're supposed to be doing.

11/10! Excellent comments, Merry. It doesn't really matter WHO is the opposition party; but they are essential to keeping the governing party in check.

[logicalview]

Ever notice that 90%+ of the world are "radical leftists"? Does that tell you anything?

making up stats again eh HG? 90% of the world aren't radical leftists thank goodness, or we'd be as screwed up as North Korea or Venezuela. I'd say there are only about 8 or 9 true clued out radical leftists here, and of that, only 3 or 4 that completely invent stats and then lie about them on a regular basis.

[logicalview]

It is the job of the Official Opposition to oppose. If they don't do that, then they're not serving their official purpose.

Yes that's one of their jobs. They also should be looking out for the best interests of the people.

Our entire democratic system relies on debate between opposing views, because that is the way potential flaws in legislation often get revealed. It is a type of "check and balance" that, while sometimes annoying, is absolutely essential. So I have to disagree with you logical, when you say you dislike political parties which hold what you consider to be overly negative views. Offering a contrary opinion is what they're supposed to be doing.

You can disagree with me, but not on this because you are completely misunderstanding my point. I agree that the job of the political party not in power is to point out the flaws of the government and hold them to account. What I don't agree with is the way that certain parties do this job, namely the NDP here in BC, and the Republicans in the USA. I am far from a supporter of the deranged Obama administration and I think they've pulled some real boners and wasted billions of dollars of taxpayer cash on insanely stupid things (what government doesn't) but the Republicans don't really care about that, all they care about is making Obama look bad, and fighting battles over silly things for the sake of fighting a battle, rather than fighting on behalf of the people. Until these parties wake up, I just don't see much hope for election in their futures.

One of the smartest political moves I ever saw was the Manitoba NDP under Gary Doer, who voted FOR a budget put forward by the Conservatives, because it was a good budget, and the NDP wanted to show that they understood a good budget and were more concerned about the people then politics. The NDP were rewarded with a large majority which they have yet to relinquish since the late 1990's. The Manitoba public were squeamish about the NDP just as the people of BC are, due to a past NDP government back in the 1980's that had been so hopeless and hapless with trying to govern that they ran massive multi-billion dollar deficits under Howard Pawley. One NDP cabinet minister left the government due to the fact that he couldn't morally accept that labour unions had placed representatives in every cabinet minister's office, and every decision had to be put through the union before it could be brought to the legislature for presentation to the house. Can you believe that!! That's true democracy for you! A bunch of unelected thugs running the entire province and telling the party in power what it could or could not do! So as I said, the people were squeamish. It took a brave move to right that ship, and instead of just saying NO!!! and whining and crying, the NDP in Manitoba put the people first. Imagine if more parties did that today.

[OREZ]

LV, what you seem to want is a governing party whose views are completely in line with yours

Doesn't everyone want that? Otherwise why vote?

Not necessarily because democracy isn’t about always getting my way. I accept it when the majority would like to see the country head in a different direction than I would have thought best and I move on with my life the best I can because I understand that I’m not always going to be right about everything.

and no other dissenting parties to ever question them, AND no public broadcaster - or for that matter, any broadcaster - to allow reporters to have the nerve to hold their feet to the fire or even ask difficult or embarrassing questions.

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion….

Simply because everyone who holds different opinions and values than you, whether they are a politician, broadcaster, forum member, etc. is immediately called a bonehead or a scumbag and told how stupid they are by you. I thought that was obvious.

You want a country run by some *bleep* like Kevin O'Leary or Donald Trump and a bunch of yes-men whom you can cheer on and for everyone to affirm how wonderful it is on the Castanet forum...

What I want running our country is someone qualified who has everyone's best interests at heart. Not just unions. Not just psychotic enviro-nuts. Everyone.

"Qualified," in your opinion, "everyone’s best interests," in your opinion.

or you'll continue to stamp your feet and cry like a spoiled little girl.

I see a lot of feet stamping going on here on Castanet, and it's almost always by the same crew of radical nutjobs. If there is nothing actual to complain about, they invent something to complain about.

Oh, there’s plenty of that to go around on all sides here buddy

This country is simply too liberal and tolerant for you and has far too much diversity.

LOL - and yet we have a Conservative government so obviously you are wrong in terms of it being "too" liberal. At least we aren't so socialist and stupid that we are like those boneheads in Scandinavia or Venezuela, and thank goodness for that.

You do understand that there is lower case l liberal and upper case L liberal, don’t you? And that the same applies to conservative for example in some ways the Liberal (upper case L) party in Canada would be considered conservative (lower case c) in some countries and vice-versa? Just because, at the moment, we have a Conservative government, does not mean that in general terms we are not a liberal country.

However, it's clear that you're not at all persuasive in communicating your opinions except in the sense that you seem to persuade people who already don't agree with you (in other words, the majority) to become completely repulsed and dig their heals in even more.

Dig their heals (sic) in even more about what? Being a radical leftist? These people have either been brain-washed or they are ignorant and lazy.

And again, this would only be your opinion. Try to remember that we are at least supposed to pretend that we are living in a democracy here, eh? And that fascism is not exactly the goal of the majority at the moment.

It's a free country (at least, that's what they tell me) go ahead and shout at people all day long if you like.

Shout at them eh? Ok...and you go ahead and spout nonsense all day.

Sorry, I don’t seem to have nearly the amount of free time as yourself for Castanet, and have begun to think of it more and more as a waste of time.

Just don't be too disappointed if and when you come to the realization that you did nothing but drive people away from understanding anything about your point of view.

LOL - I won't be disappointed. Every radical leftist that I can expose as a liar and bonehead is a beautiful thing.

See, there you go again, with the intolerance and inability to respect the right of others to have opinions. It is a very weak trait and it exposes you more than it exposes anyone else.

[Woodenhead]

haha Great post, OREZ.

[Edit] (PS: Blocklists work wonders - I can't even see certain members posts - even if they're quoted)

[logicalview]

haha Great post, OREZ.

Ha ha terrible post OREZ. Especially this part:

See, there you go again, with the intolerance and inability to respect the right of others to have opinions. It is a very weak trait and it exposes you more than it exposes anyone else.

You mistake tolerance of others opinions with tolerance of deliberate prevarication to try and make a horrible political view seem more palatable. I appreciate others' right to be ignorant and naïve, but I don't respect their right to deliberately make up statistics and then lie about what those made up stats show. No one should tolerate that. Everyone has a right to an opinion, but no one has the right to lie and then run and cry about how their right to lie is their "opinion". That's just wrong.

[Merry]

I am far from a supporter of the deranged Obama administration and I think they've pulled some real boners and wasted billions of dollars of taxpayer cash on insanely stupid things (what government doesn't) but the Republicans don't really care about that, all they care about is making Obama look bad, and fighting battles over silly things for the sake of fighting a battle, rather than fighting on behalf of the people. Until these parties wake up, I just don't see much hope for election in their futures.

OK, now I understand your point I can agree with it.

People who use absolutely anything and everything to attack the opposite political Party as a means of trying to make their own Party appear to be the better choice, are doing a disservice to both their own Party and the political system as a whole.

But in the Canadian context that doesn't just apply to the NDP, because ALL the Parties are doing it. As are many of the posters in these forums. Instead of discussing the issues, and offering reasons for disagreement and suggestions for alternatives, many folks rely on scandal and gossip to attempt to discredit those they don't agree with. And, unfortunately, such Public attacks often appear to achieve that which the attacker is hoping to achieve; which is why they continue to do it.

We see such attacks daily on the news, in the print media, and on forums such as this. Like you, I deplore such behaviour, but I doubt there's any way to stop it. Because it appears to have become an entrenched part of our modern society.

[matai]

This is funny. Peladeau (owner of Sun Media, Journal de Montreal, and TV chains criticizes the Conservatives for cutting CBC & Radio-Canada's budget while promoting all the good Radio-Canada does for the French Canadians, but mostly for Quebecers.



What's funny? Well, Peladeau owns a tv chain called TVA, which competes directly with SRC (CBC), as well as a 24 hours news chain LCN which competes directly with the 24 hours news chain RDI (CBC)

According to him, of course, Harper can cut the English CBC who doesn't attract viewers, but must leave the French Network alone:

Nous ne pouvons tolérer que le succès de la télévision publique francophone subventionne la CBC dont les cotes d’écoute sont faméliques.

http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/vo ... rchandise/

Another funny thing, in October of 2011, Péladeau was criticizing SRC for constantly wasting public money and that only his own business (Sun Media) was independant enough to investigate CBC's practices:
http://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/so ... n-pq.shtml

Strange that now that he's been elected as a PQ deputy he changed his mind saying that CBC is an example to follow.

[Woodenhead]

Because it appears to have become an entrenched part of our modern society.

It's a part of the human psyche, in general.

The Misconception: When your beliefs are challenged with facts, you alter your opinions and incorporate the new information into your thinking.
The Truth: When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger.

Once something is added to your collection of beliefs, you protect it from harm. You do it instinctively and unconsciously when confronted with attitude-inconsistent information. Just as confirmation bias shields you when you actively seek information, the backfire effect defends you when the information seeks you, when it blindsides you.

What should be evident from the studies on the backfire effect is you can never win an argument online. When you start to pull out facts and figures, hyperlinks and quotes, you are actually making the opponent feel as though they are even more sure of their position than before you started the debate. As they match your fervor, the same thing happens in your skull. The backfire effect pushes both of you deeper into your original beliefs.

Of course, most everyone denies that it affects them - which simply further illustrates the point. lol