Canadian scientists protest federal government

[logicalview]

C2C - I notice you left out this tidbit from the article:

Science is the gathering of hypotheses and the endless testing of them. It involves checking and double-checking, self-criticism and a willingness to overturn even fundamental assumptions if they prove to be wrong. But none of this can happen without open communication among scientists. This is more than an attack on academic freedom. It is an attempt to guarantee public ignorance.

It is high comedy that a man-made global warming guy would write something like the above. The entire junk science and arrogant digusting tactics of the warmist movement has all been about suppressing any and all dissension in the ranks of the apocalyptic predictors. There have been many scientists demanding that the manufactured "consensus" and the "fundamental" assumptions surrounding the AGW hoax be overturned, as they are dead wrong. And yet these same people have the arrogance to accuse the Canadian federal government of doing this? Patently ridiculous and uber-hypocritical.

[c2c]

C2C - I notice you left out this tidbit from the article:

No I didn't.

“We are blinded by our own thought process – thinking that our way of seeing is in actually, the way in which things truly are. Never taking into account that our thought process colors every single thing, which we see. Our belief systems, whether consciously chosen or not, are present at every moment of our lives – continually lying in wait to sort out what we are seeing according to pre-established parameters.”

[logicalview]

No I didn't.

Ok - you are right. You didn't. My apologies.

“We are blinded by our own thought process – thinking that our way of seeing is in actually, the way in which things truly are. Never taking into account that our thought process colors every single thing, which we see. Our belief systems, whether consciously chosen or not, are present at every moment of our lives – continually lying in wait to sort out what we are seeing according to pre-established parameters.”

Excellent quote. If you truly followed this wisdom, it would dawn on you that this whole AGW fraud is just a recycle (as we all know, environmentalists are good recyclers) of the New Ice Age scam of the 1970's. In fact, some of the players in that scam, like Dr. Steve Schneider and uber-pessimist Paul Ehrlich, were part of both scams, and in the case of Ehrlich, continue to milk the current iteration for personal fame, including being lauded by the dunderheads in the Obama administration. See for yourself:

1970s Global Cooling Alarmism

During the 1970s the media promoted global cooling alarmism with dire threats of a new ice age. Extreme weather events were hyped as signs of the coming apocalypse and man-made pollution was blamed as the cause. Environmental extremists called for everything from outlawing the internal combustion engine to communist style population controls. This media hype was found in newspapers, magazines, books and on television;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... kGB5MMIAVA

"Climate experts believe the next ice age is on its way."
- Leonard Nimoy, 1978

1970 - Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age - Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 - Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 - New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 - Pollution's 2-way 'Freeze' On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 - Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 - Scientist predicts a new ice age by 21st century (Boston Globe, April 16, 1970)
1970 - Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 - Dirt Will Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 - Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 - Pollution Might Lead To Another Ice Age (Schenectady Gazette, March 22, 1971)
1971 - Pollution May Bring Ice Age - Scientist Rites Risk (The Windsor Star, March 23, 1971)
1971 - U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 - Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 - New Ice Age Coming - It's Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 - Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 - Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 - Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 - Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Cometh For Dicey Times (The Sun, May 29, 1972)
1972 - There's a new Ice Age coming! (The Windsor Star, September 9, 1972)
1972 - Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 - British Expert on Climate Change Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 - Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)
1972 - New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 - Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)
1972 - British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 - Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 - Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1972 - Geologist at Case Traces Long Winters - Sees Ice Age in 20 Years (Youngstown Vindicator, December 13, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age On Its Way, Scientist Says (Toledo Blade, December 13, 1972)
1972 - Ice Age Predicted In About 200 Years (The Portsmouth Times, December 14, 1972)
1973 - The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 - 'Man-made Ice Age' Worries Scientists (The Free Lance-Star, June 22, 1973)
1973 - Fear Of Man-made Ice Age (Herald-Journal, June 28, 1973)
1973 - Possibility Of Ice Age Worries The Scientists (The Argus-Press, November 12, 1973)
1973 - Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 - Ominous Changes in the World's Weather (PDF) (Fortune, February 1974)
1974 - Atmospheric Dirt: Ice Age Coming?‎ (Pittsburgh Press, February 28, 1974)
1974 - New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 - Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 - 2 Scientists Think 'Little' Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 - Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 - Imminent Arrival of the Ice (Radio Times, November 14, 1974)
1974 - Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 - Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)
1974 - Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 - More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 - Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 - Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 - Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 - B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 - Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 - Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 - Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 - New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 - There's Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, ‎March 2, 1975‎)
1975 - Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, ‎March 3, 1975‎)
1975 - The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 - The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 - Cooling trend may signal coming of another Ice Age (The Sun, May 16, 1975)
1975 - Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 - Summer of A New Ice Age (The Age, June 5, 1975)
1975 - In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 - Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 - The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1976 - Ice Age Predicted (Reading Eagle, January 22, 1976)
1976 - Ice Age Predicted In Century (Bangor Daily News, January 22, 1976)
1976 - It's Going To Get Chilly About 125 Years From Now (Sarasota Herald-Tribune, January 23, 1976)
1976 - Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 - Blizzard - What Happens if it Doesn't Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 - The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1977 - The Ice Age Cometh... (New York Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 - The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 - Has The Ice Age Cometh Again? (Calgary Herald, February 1, 1977)
1977 - Space Mirrors Proposed To Prevent Crop Freezes (Bangor Daily News, February 7, 1977)
1977 - We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 - Ice! [Book] (Arnold Federbush, 1978)
1978 - The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 - Winter May Be Colder Than In Last Ice Age (The Deseret News, January 2, 1978)
1978 - Current Winters Seen Colder Than In Ice Age‎ (The Telegraph, January 3, 1978)
1978 - Winter Temperatures Colder Than Last Ice Age (Eugene Register-Guard, Eugene Register-Guard, January 3, 1978)
1978 - Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 - Winters Will Get Colder, 'we're Entering Little Ice Age' (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 - Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 - It's Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, ‎January 17, 1978‎)
1978 - Another Ice Age? (Kentucky New Era, February 12, 1978)
1978 - Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, ‎February 13, 1978‎)
1978 - Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 - The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 - An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 - A Choice of Catastrophes - The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 - The New Ice Age Cometh (The Age, January 16, 1979)
1979 - Ice Age Building Up (Ellensburg Daily Record, June 5, 1979)
1979 - Large Glacial Buildup Could Mean Ice Age (Spokane Daily Chronicle, June 5, 1979)
1979 - Ice Age On Its Way (Lewiston Morning Tribune, June 7, 1979)
1979 - Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 - New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)

While a silent majority of the scientific community may have been more skeptical, you ironically find one of the most outspoken supporters of modern day Al Gore style global warming alarmism was promoting global cooling in the 1970s, the late Dr. Steven Schneider;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsdWTBNy ... r_embedded


"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - Life of Reason, George Santayana


* A couple of the news stories are duplicates in different papers with slightly different titles, this is intentional to show that these types of stories were not isolated to a certain regional paper.


Update:

From the BBC's 1974 documentary, "The Weather Machine";

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtyM9mPb ... r_embedded

"The ice age is due now anytime" - Professor George Kukla, Columbia University, 1974

http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/0 ... m.html?m=1

[hobbyguy]

LV - I care. This smacks of fascism.

Harper has gone after every branch of government that has anything to do with getting in the way of improper resource development. The whole purpose of government scientists was to provide the most objective view of things possible. He has successfully destroyed that.

Every fascist and totalitarian communist government in the past has done this.

Let's see:

- change the NEB rules.
- circumvent provincial environmental reviews
- turn Transport Canada into a paper tiger
- underfund pipeline inspections
- refuse to allow government scientists to speak to the media
- direct that studies will be done to benefit commercial interests (corporate welfare)
- shut down climate research
- severely restrict fisheries
- ignore First Nations
- destroy the meaningfulness of census data
- gone after the CBC
- attacked with vitriol anyone who offers a dissenting opinion
- etc.

The pattern here is to deny meaningful information to the public, and to shape information released to suit an agenda. In other words, turn the government agencies into a propaganda arm for for the great Steve-O and his Calgary oilmen buddies.

That matters.

[logicalview]

LV - I care. This smacks of fascism.

I do agree HG that everything about the AGW movement smacks of fascism. Not funding this nonsense smacks of good use of taxpayer money.

Harper has gone after every branch of government that has anything to do with getting in the way of improper resource development. The whole purpose of government scientists was to provide the most objective view of things possible. He has successfully destroyed that.

This is your opinion, as seen through red-tinted socialist glasses. My opinion of the very same events is about 100% polar opposite of yours, and I think you are dead wrong.

Every fascist and totalitarian communist government in the past has done this.

Oh please. This is just complete nonsense.

Let's see:

- change the NEB rules.

For the better. Way way too many schmucks at the trough and way way too much duplication. Only ninnies who don't care how much money is wasted by governments oppose this, for reasons they don't even know. They are just blinded by their Harper hate.

- circumvent provincial environmental reviews

Where and when? Check that, if this is just more anti Enbridge pipeline nonsense I don't even want to hear it.

- turn Transport Canada into a paper tiger

LOL. Since when do you deal with Transport Canada? I have dealt with them, and this is just such a nonsensical statement it is sad.

- underfund pipeline inspections

LOL - when and where? More Enbridge nonsense?

- refuse to allow government scientists to speak to the media

So say these alleged "scientists". If the only thing they aren't allowed to do is lie about global warming and try to scare people into funding more of their garbage "research" into this hoax, then great! Lying shouldn't be tolerated by people wanting government money to support their lies.

- direct that studies will be done to benefit commercial interests (corporate welfare)

I honestly threw up in my mouth when I read this nonsense. Seriously - you want studies to NOT benefit the taxpayers of this country, who are PAYING for the research? "Corporate welfare"??? Oh my goodness, this is beyond silly.

- shut down climate research

You mean not continue to throw money at a fraud and hoax? AWESOME!!!!!

- severely restrict fisheries
- ignore First Nations
- destroy the meaningfulness of census data

Massive LOL at all three. Ignore First Nations? LOL!!!!!!

- gone after the CBC

Gone after them? Every time I happen to accidently watch that horrible network, they are still spewing their leftist nonsense. You want to talk about communism and fascism? How about what the uber-socialist idiots did in Venezuela? THAT's going after the media. This is just trumped up garbage.

- attacked with vitriol anyone who offers a dissenting opinion
- etc.

I don't recall this, but what I have seen are unprecedented attacks on this government from the leftist media, from the UN and EU who are angry that Canadians (at least those with brains) are standing up to the climate change hoax, from the uber-leftist "Amnesty Canada" etc. Given the nuttiness of these attacks and the foolishness of the people behind them, I have seen the Canadian government operate with amazing restraint. I'd be screaming at those evil scumbags in the UN every day, for the evils they perpetuate on the world. They are disgusting. So anyway, you comment above I find to be wrong, completely wrong, in every way.

The pattern here is to deny meaningful information to the public, and to shape information released to suit an agenda. In other words, turn the government agencies into a propaganda arm for for the great Steve-O and his Calgary oilmen buddies.

That matters.

The pattern you are mentioning is exactly the MO of the climate change warmists and the Obama administration. Exactly. If you think that Harper is doing this, then I fully expect that you would be twice as angry at Obama, and the dunderheads in his administration trying to force the "CO2 is a pollutant" nonsense onto the American people via his storm-troopers in the EPA.

[hobbyguy]

LV - everything I posted on my list is fact.

Where have you been for the last few years?

"ninnies", "red-tinted socialist glasses", "leftist nonsense", "dunderheads", "uber-socialist idiots" in Venezuela?

Hmmm...

[logicalview]

LV - everything I posted on my list is fact.

No, actually it's not. It's not even close to fact HG. It's a bunch of nonsensical leftist spin on actual events. And some of the items you are posting as a negative are actually a positive. I honestly don't know if the Conservatives have cut funding to climate change research, despite your claims, but if they have, then bully for them. Enough money has been dumped down that black hole, to satisfy the lunatic fringe and the uber-gullible. It's time to spend taxpayer money on real actual issues. Not fairy tales.

Where have you been for the last few years?

I've been in Canada. From the sound of your leftist rhetoric, you've been in a communist indoctrination camp.

[Jo]

Settle down, people. Don't start calling each other names, it just turns the thread into a bash session.

What I am actually saying is: stop the insults, or else.

[SmokeOnTheWater]

I honestly don't know if the Conservatives have cut funding to climate change research, despite your claims

You might want to read this.
It's so much more than just climate change research.

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/oh_canada_the_governments_broad_assault_on_environment/2548/

[Glacier]

I think it's ironic that Dave Sukuki was one of the honored guest speakers at the "scientist protest" because he immediately jumped on a plane to go spout anti-science in Australia.

[logicalview]

You might want to read this.
It's so much more than just climate change research.

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/oh_canada_the_governments_broad_assault_on_environment/2548/

Thank you for posting that article. While trying to read it made me wretch, as it is fraught with the usual alarmist nonsense, this part of the article was the only part worth reading, in my opinion:

Harper, who came to power in 2006 unapologetic for once describing the Kyoto climate accords as “essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations,

Thank goodness we elected a leader with the guts to tell the exact truth. The Kyoto "climate" accords were a total and complete scam inflicted on the Western world by deranged leftists, designed to do EXACTLY what Harper said - to suck money out of wealth-producing nations. What the quote didn't say was that it was designed this way, all with the over-lying lie regarding man-made climate change, to dupe naïve bleeding hearts into willfully handing over their wallets, and to unquestioningly bend over and take idiotic "carbon" taxes and stupid trading schemes up the hoop. Thank goodness we weren't as stupid as Spain and Portugal. Thank goodness we didn't blindly fall for the lies of the "Green Economy" like the poor saps in Germany. Thank goodness we don't have dunderheads running this country like the Obama administration, pouring massive amounts of money into "renewable" energy and watching it just go "poof" like Obama did with Solyndra. Thank goodness radical nuts like the one that wrote this article aren't in charge or have any power.

Signed,
The Canadian Taxpayer

[logicalview]

I think it's ironic that Dave Sukuki was one of the honored guest speakers at the "scientist protest" because he immediately jumped on a plane to go spout anti-science in Australia.

Was Suzuki at this stupid rally? If he was why am I not shocked. I think the irony of that fraud showing up at this "scientific protest" was that Suzuki isn't really a scientist, and after making a massive fool of himself on national TV in Australia last week, it's clear he really has not even the remotest grasp on the current climate change situation, and is just content to parrot zealot dogma that is prevalent in most of the warmist movement.

[Glacier]

Was Suzuki at this stupid rally?

Yes, and the reason I know is because I was invited to attend the protest via Facebook. Here is the CBC article talking about Saint Suzuki rallying the troops.. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.1855877

[logicalview]

Yes, and the reason I know is because I was invited to attend the protest via Facebook. Here is the CBC article talking about Saint Suzuki rallying the troops.. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.1855877

Oh I see, he attended the Vancouver "scientific" protest. I didn't realize that these loons were in other cities as well as Ottawa. As the CBC reported "100" protestors were there in Vancouver, I am assuming about 30 actually showed up, and that's being kind to the CBC, who usually over-estimate the size of lunatic protesting groups by a 4 to 5 to one margin. I wonder how many "scientists" were actually in this filthy mob that St. Suzuki, aka the naked emperor, was preaching to.

[SmokeOnTheWater]

Thank you for posting that article. While trying to read it made me wretch, as it is fraught with the usual alarmist nonsense

Bill C-38 is a fact. I don't understand how you can say it's " alarmist nonsense ".