Man found with pipe bomb

[Captain Awesome]

*BEFORE* 7/11 took place WITH THE CONSENT OF A SUPERVISOR I ONCE made it through airline screening with an unloaded .38 revolver in my carry on luggage and 12 rounds of ammunition in a second carry on bag.

Oh yes, the long forgotten convenience store terror plot ...

[GordonH]

I have admit I find it little bizarre that after taking the pipe bomb from the person, they would still let him fly.

So I guess now a pipe bomb = the same as nail clippers. lol.... sorry not funny, you have admit it kinda is.

[Dizzy1]

*BEFORE* 7/11 took place WITH THE CONSENT OF A SUPERVISOR I ONCE made it through airline screening with an unloaded .38 revolver in my carry on luggage and 12 rounds of ammunition in a second carry on bag.

The same "packaging" was tried a number of times and only once was it successful. EVERY time was with the consent of the supervisor. The imaging persons eyes got pretty big when she realized what she had missed.

As a rule they used to be very good and since 7/11 have likely only got better as a result of better equipment ... although they seem to have goofed badly after finding the pipe bomb.

Ah yes, the Kwikie Mart effect ... been many studies about that ;)

Yeah, Canadian's are way to polite in these kind of things. There is no way an individual should have been able to board the flight until a full investigation has taken place. The ironic thing is that people have been denied boarding for much less than this ... sigh!

[my5cents]

........The ironic thing is that people have been denied boarding for much less than this ... sigh!

My point exactly, and not only denied boarding but kicked off flights after they have boarded.

Blind person and his guide dog kicked off flight - balance of passengers irate, captain cancels the flight
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/14/travel/bl ... -incident/

Frequent flier, travel blogger takes one cell phone picture of back of seat, kicked
http://upgrd.com/matthew/thrown-off-a-u ... tures.html

But a Canadian found with a bomb is let on a flight ??????????? ....but at least they seized the bomb first

[A_Britishcolumbian]

saying they 'seized the bomb first' is a bit of a euphemism, it seems they were actually trying to get the bombmaker to take the bomb with him. how does that make any sense whatsoever?

Pipe bomb handed back to passenger Skylar Murphy by airport guard
Skylar Vincent Murphy admits he made the device but took it to the airport accidentally
CBC News Posted: Jan 15, 2014

A Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA) guard who seized a pipe bomb from a man at Edmonton International Airport tried to give it back to him, CBC News has learned.

Skylar Vincent Murphy, 18, of Spruce Grove, Alta., was allowed to get on a flight at Edmonton International Airport on Sept. 20 after he was caught with a pipe bomb by security.

According to details that came out in court, the CATSA guard was caught on video pushing the device back to Murphy. Reportedly, Murphy was told “You can keep it.”

Murphy insisted the guard take it. He was then allowed to clear security and board a plane to Mexico where he was travelling with his family on a weeklong vacation.

The device was in a camera bag, which Murphy says he placed there in February 2013 when he and and a friend made two pipe bombs.

They blew up one in the field. Murphy said he left the other one in his bag and forgot about it.

The device was about six inches long and two inches in diameter with screws at both sides. A nine-foot long fuse ran through the device, which was filled with gunpowder.

RCMP weren’t notified until four days later.

The day Murphy returned from Mexico, he was arrested by a large number of uniformed officers, a SWAT team and bomb-sniffing dogs.

Murphy was eventually convicted and fined $100 for possessing an explosive device.

Murphy, in a text reply to CBC News, said, "I've been advised not to comment. I will however tell you that what has been published is not at all an accurate portrayal of what happened."

Federal Transport Minister Lisa Raitt calls it "unacceptable" that someone found with a pipe bomb was allowed to continue on with their flight.

“The safety of Canadians and the travelling public is our government’s top priority," Raitt told CBC News in a written statement. "This individual should not have been allowed to board his flight, and it is unacceptable that [CATSA] waited four days before seeking the RCMP's assistance."

Raitt said she wants to make sure the incident isn't repeated.

"I will be calling the president of CATSA today to ensure the organization takes further action to better protect the safety of Canadian travellers.”

In an email to CBC News, CATSA spokesman Mathieu Larocque says the security authority understands the minister's concerns and has taken steps to ensure this type of incident doesn't happen again.

"CATSA has completed a full review last fall of the incident. During the course of its review, CATSA concluded that the RCMP should have been contacted earlier in the process as per our procedures," he wrote.

"Corrective actions have been taken and those involved in the incident were disciplined and required to take additional training. We have also updated screening officers’ training material across the country and put more emphasis on our procedures."

Critics have lined up to blast the authority for its handling of the case.

"This is really shocking for the general public," said Michel Juneau-Katsuya, former senior manager and intelligence officer with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and CEO of Northgate, an intelligence company.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.2497650

[Ken7]

Pipe bomb handed back to passenger Skylar Murphy by airport guard
Skylar Vincent Murphy admits he made the device but took it to the airport accidentally
CBC News Posted: Jan 15, 2014
A Canadian Air Transport Security Authority (CATSA) guard who seized a pipe bomb from a man at Edmonton International Airport tried to give it back to him, CBC News has learned

I shouldn't criticize this guy, you just cant imagine how many times I didn't realize I had my hand gun stuck in my pants when stopping in at the airport for a flight... what was I thinking accidents happen. LOL

I think we will read about this youth again in another event. Most 18 year olds don't make pipe bombs.

[A_Britishcolumbian]

so, catsa seemed to think that it would have been ok if the bombmaker took his bomb onboard the plane, as well the catsa hhad the bomb for 4 days before contacting the rcmp.

i wonder how the catsa stored/treated the bomb during those 4 days? they obviously did not feel it was particularly dangerous.

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... htm#106693

[Donald G]

To A_Britishcolumbian ...

It depends on what they were calling a "bomb". A bomb IN A NEWSPAPER could be anything from a couple of sticks of wood with a piece of string made to look like a fuse to a modern high class explosive with a sophisticated remotely activated firing mechanism ... or anything in between. Don't jump to conclusions about the word bomb until someone identifies what it really was.

A "gun" can be anything from something whittled out of wood to a modern army automatic weapon. If they let him go I would suspect it was at the very low end of the danger scale.

[my5cents]

It depends on what they were calling a "bomb". A bomb IN A NEWSPAPER could be anything from a couple of sticks of wood with a piece of string made to look like a fuse to a modern high class explosive with a sophisticated remotely activated firing mechanism ... or anything in between. Don't jump to conclusions about the word bomb until someone identifies what it really was.

A "gun" can be anything from something whittled out of wood to a modern army automatic weapon. If they let him go I would suspect it was at the very low end of the danger scale.

Well it might have been a couple of sticks of wood and a piece of string, however the RCMP used a SWAT team to arrest him after they had been given the device and had examined it.

CBC described the device as :

The device was in a camera bag, which Murphy says he placed there in February 2013 when he and and a friend made two pipe bombs.

They blew up one in the field. Murphy said he left the other one in his bag and forgot about it.

The device was about six inches long and two inches in diameter with screws at both sides. A nine-foot long fuse ran through the device, which was filled with gunpowder.

So in the suspect's own words a twin "device" was ignited by the suspect and a friend.

CATSA have develop a "quality security service" that has drastically limited the number of finger nail clippers, cork screws and knitting needles from aircrafts. However when it comes to real threats they couldn't find their *bleep* with both hands.

[A_Britishcolumbian]

the 'bomb' i am/was referring to was the same device murphy described as being a bomb, and as well described by himself as being one of a set of two, the other having been already detonated/exploded.

The device was in a camera bag, which Murphy says he placed there in February 2013 when he and and a friend made two pipe bombs.

They blew up one in the field. Murphy said he left the other one in his bag and forgot about it.

The device was about six inches long and two inches in diameter with screws at both sides. A nine-foot long fuse ran through the device, which was filled with gunpowder.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Min ... story.html

i fully realize the rcmp and some media do not require the designation 'bomb' to be supported by the existence of explosives or an explosive substance, as highlighted by the 'canada day' non-bombers persecution.

i am very curious to know how this explosive was handled by the catsa, who were apparently prepared to let murphy keep it, and given that, i am assuming that catsa did not think it dangerous.

[Donald G]

To My5cents ...

Thanks. Now I appreciate the serious concern with the way it was handled. I obviously did not read the whole thread as thoroughly as I should have.

[flamingfingers]

To My5cents ...

Thanks. Now I appreciate the serious concern with the way it was handled. I obviously did not read the whole thread as thoroughly as I should have.

As per usual.

[Donald G]

To flamingfingers ...

WADR your comments can always be counted on to directly reflect your emotional attachment to your personal opinion rather than address the topic objective.

[bob vernon]

Pay security guards at airports minimum wages and this is what you get.

[delSol97]

... certainly doesn't get you any common sense.