Not cop bashing. Just the facts

[mexi cali]

Record number of Mounties disciplined over behaviour, RCMP report shows

From lying under oath, to driving drunk, sharing porn on RCMP computers, to having sex in cruisers, new discipline figures from Canada’s national police force show a record number of Mounties behaving badly.

Oh heck, read it yourself.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014 ... shows.html

This is sad.

Apologies to all members who also think this is sad.

[Liquidnails]

Police are just people like you and I. They are capable of (and do) stupid things like the rest of us. I'm not at all surprised, and certainly hope that those who are reprimanded learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them. I'm not saying it's OK, because it isn't. Just that it's human nature to make bad decisions.

[Smurf]

Exactly Liquidnails and they should be punished just like you and I when they do those things. They should be punished even more harshly when it can be proven that they used their position of authority to do something wrong. They should not be punished for doing their job and therein often lies a problem.

[mexi cali]

When I read the article, I was not surprised by the fact that there was more discipline handed out than in the past but the nature of some of the infractions.

Yes they are human. No, I wouldn't want to face what they do in some cases daily. But I do believe they should be held to s higher standard.

And seriously, I am not bashing police.

[my5cents]

I have a much more serious worry about our police.

The case of David Wesley Bobbitt in August 2011. Bobbitt ran a second hand store in Penticton and kidnapped a 22 year old woman customer, held her for 15 hours until her FAMILY rescued her. During her capture she was attacked and raped. Also her 22 month old son was with her.

I may have some of the details slightly off, but basically. The young mother went to the store in the afternoon to buy a bed. She was scheduled to drop her son off with a family member and then go to work. When neither of these happened, the family went to the police in Penticton. They related the above.

The police played down the event, "well maybe she went out partying" (family : "She had her 22 month old son with her", "She was scheduled to work").

Basically come back when she's gone for a longer period of time.

Police not taking into account that this was a mother with an infant. This wasn't a 16 year old girl who just got grounded and snuck out the back door.

I believe later the family re-contacted the police after they had found her car in the vicinity of the second hand store. The police "couldn't do anything".

You'll forgive me for not having full details of all this because most of it was sporadically reported and the REAL MAIN news story was the "Keystone Cops" procedures of the RCMP.

Where is the media ?????

When things go wrong and huge errors like this take place it's the media that used to "lead the charge".

All I see on the nightly news is photos of the most recent horrific crash on a highway, "the RCMP have called in their Traffic Analyst.....", the ducklings crossing the road, the bear eating food from a refrigerator outside or ripping a car apart.

When the media does interview the police, they are the "holder of the microphone", Questions ??? are you nuts ?

Yes, it's bad when a cop gets drunk and drives, gets too involved and assaults someone. But when police inaction risks the life of a young woman and a baby and no hard questions are asked ??????

[Captain Awesome]

The police played down the event, "well maybe she went out partying" (family : "She had her 22 month old son with her", "She was scheduled to work").

Basically come back when she's gone for a longer period of time.

It's a standard procedure. Police won't investigate a missing person unless they've been missing for over 24 hours. There was no "inaction" on RCMP part.

[my5cents]

It's a standard procedure. Police won't investigate a missing person unless they've been missing for over 24 hours. There was no "inaction" on RCMP part.

That's my point, "standard procedure" should apply when the event is "standard" in nature. The example of the 16 year old girl, sneaking out the back door after being grounded.

This was a 22 year of mother WITH her baby. Car at the second hand store.

This was a police mistake, this was not a "normal" situation. Something they should have realized and should have taken action.

I know very well about "standard procedure" when it comes to reports of missing persons.

This was not a "cookie cutter" incident where "standard procedure" would apply. This easily could have cost the life of a mother and her child had it not been for her family taking action. When the police told them not to.

[Captain Awesome]

That's my point, "standard procedure" should apply when the event is "standard" in nature.

Not a whole lot of things police are involved in every day are "standard" in nature.

When the police told them not to.

They didn't say that. They simply said they can't open a missing person report unless a person has been missing for more than 24 hours. With or without a baby.

[sobrohusfat]

Not a whole lot of things police are involved in every day are "standard" in nature.

Except having to deal with everyones' unresolved emotional issues in varying degrees of lunacy.

...on top of their own.

[my5cents]

Not a whole lot of things police are involved in every day are "standard" in nature.

"my5cents" : When the police told them not to.

They didn't say that. They simply said they can't open a missing person report unless a person has been missing for more than 24 hours. With or without a baby.

I was referring to the police telling the family, who had located the young woman's vehicle, not to do anything.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

If we believe what you say, then there is no circumstance where a missing person report is acted upon prior to 24 hours, excepting a young child alone (I gather) and I don't believe that is the case. There are always cases where the police must take initiative and determine "this needs action now". If police work was as clear cut as you maintain it wouldn't be the challenging job it is.

The RCMP screwed up. They got away with it.

[Captain Awesome]

There are always cases where the police must take initiative and determine "this needs action now". If police work was as clear cut as you maintain it wouldn't be the challenging job it is.

Yes, there are cases and police have procedures for launching an investigation right away. For example, if it's clear that the person in question is a victim of crime such as blood stains in the parked car leading to bushes and person's clothes thrown around. Or clear signs that the baby has been abducted. In that case, police launches an investigation immediately. The young lady's car parked downtown IS NOT a reason to launch an investigation. Her having a baby with her is also NOT a reason to launch an active investigation.

The RCMP screwed up. They got away with it.

[KL3-Something]

The belief that you have to wait 24hrs before the police will do anything about a missing person is a myth.

[KL3-Something]

more on topic with the thread: I think this is a good thing, in a way.

It goes to show that things are being reported more. And that something is being done about it.

My personal observations over the years tell me that there is much less of this kind of BS going on than there used to be. But the number of complaints is going up. That tells me that things aren't being swept under the rug like they used to be.

[wanderingman]

Police are just people like you and I. They are capable of (and do) stupid things like the rest of us. I'm not at all surprised, and certainly hope that those who are reprimanded learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them. I'm not saying it's OK, because it isn't. Just that it's human nature to make bad decisions.

I just do not agree. They take an oath to uphold the law not break it and are to be held to a much higher standard than normal.I do not want a cop "learning" from his mistakes all the while continuing as a cop. You fire them is what you do. end of story

[wanderingman]

more on topic with the thread: I think this is a good thing, in a way.

It goes to show that things are being reported more. And that something is being done about it.

My personal observations over the years tell me that there is much less of this kind of BS going on than there used to be. But the number of complaints is going up. That tells me that things aren't being swept under the rug like they used to be.

holy cat fish bat man we finally agree on something you have posted.