When Police Use Force

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Former Edmonton cop Derek Huff blows whistle on brutality, corruption...
as was mentioned, there are too many loose canons out there :(

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ ... -1.1871353

[Ken7]

I come off as being a perfect know-it-all, but believe me if someone like Michael Brown started pounding my head and I had my Desert Eagle with me I'd probably empty the mag right there BUT I probably wouldn't have allowed that proximity to begin with. It would also be nice if more officers were members of IPSC maybe they would be more confident with their abilities in the field and less likely to shoot first and ask questions later.

I won't beat you up on this... but you said it.

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Explain? you highlighted parts of what I said and your point is?

[FreeRights]

Explain? you highlighted parts of what I said and your point is?

I think what he's saying is that you came across as a perfect know-it-all.

You're essentially trying to say that you would have done what the cop is supposed to do, better, without having actually been in that or a similar situation. I'm willing to bet that, had the cop the opportunity to have kept distance with the subject, he very likely would have.

IPSC - I've trained it on and off for years - is an excellent sport-shooting course, but that's what it is. A sport-shooting course. Granted, it's probably as close to tactical firearms training that one can get as a civilian without going to one of the high-risk security schools that are all over the continent, but it's still sport-shooting, with targets, a pre-determined course, and no actual fear of being shot at.

The police and military do far more advanced tactical training than IPSC can - and should - offer because they also train you how to use your senses as best you can, in a real life situation. The police and military begin the psychological training from day one. You don't get tunnel vision or numb limbs in IPSC, and you don't get nearly the same adrenaline rush. You also don't have to worry about when to get your shot off, because the target isn't going to shoot back at you - in real life, they may.

If you really wanted to experience high-risk, tactical firearms training that is as good - very possibly even better - than what the police or military receive (many police and military groups actually send candidates to these schools), I would recommend (probably the most prominent and most advanced) Academi (formerly Blackwater/Xu), the ESI Institute, R.L. Oatman & Associates, S1 Academy, and in Canada the most respected is probably the Canadian Tactical Training Academy.

I've been to several of those particular schools and have taken a variety of training in firearms and specialised areas of security, but if you really want to experience a tactical shooting environment, go to a school that provides tactical shooting, not sport-shooting.

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Then we are

I think what he's saying is that you came across as a perfect know-it-all.

You're essentially trying to say that you would have done what the cop is supposed to do, better, without having actually been in that or a similar situation. I'm willing to bet that, had the cop the opportunity to have kept distance with the subject, he very likely would have.

IPSC - I've trained it on and off for years - is an excellent sport-shooting course, but that's what it is. A sport-shooting course. Granted, it's probably as close to tactical firearms training that one can get as a civilian without going to one of the high-risk security schools that are all over the continent, but it's still sport-shooting, with targets, a pre-determined course, and no actual fear of being shot at.

The police and military do far more advanced tactical training than IPSC can - and should - offer because they also train you how to use your senses as best you can, in a real life situation. The police and military begin the psychological training from day one. You don't get tunnel vision or numb limbs in IPSC, and you don't get nearly the same adrenaline rush. You also don't have to worry about when to get your shot off, because the target isn't going to shoot back at you - in real life, they may.

If you really wanted to experience high-risk, tactical firearms training that is as good - very possibly even better - than what the police or military receive (many police and military groups actually send candidates to these schools), I would recommend (probably the most prominent and most advanced) Academi (formerly Blackwater/Xu), the ESI Institute, R.L. Oatman & Associates, S1 Academy, and in Canada the most respected is probably the Canadian Tactical Training Academy.

I've been to several of those particular schools and have taken a variety of training in firearms and specialised areas of security, but if you really want to experience a tactical shooting environment, go to a school that provides tactical shooting, not sport-shooting.

Then we are all guilty as charged.
As for the cop keeping distance, well, we know the perp got his hands on his sidearm after the cop initially drove away only to back up :(

[Smurf]

I'm not too sure what you mean there, but if you are questioning why he backed up. I think you'll find he backed up because he realized who he was dealing with and it was his job to deal with it like it or not.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Brown.html

[kumazatheef]

50 years ago, people had respect for themselves and for others. There were weapons available but people did not want to kill each other. Todays society has no respect for themselves, their parents or anyone with authority.

Are ... are, uh, you serious??
50 years ago??
Aside from the obvious reference to various wars that have taken place, and, well, history ... plus the fact that Bill O'Reilly is used (golly, whole other thread) ... well, I lost my train of thought because of O'Reilly ... oh yeah.

For every generation that laments

Todays society has no respect for their parents

I have to ask: who taught them that??

Now, as topic of police: if one is caught in a situation, best option is to shut up and do exactly what the office says.
Usually in such a situation where things can go wrong, as described, the adrenaline that's pumping mixes things up, so just comply and sort it out later when heat has cooled.

[Ken7]

Now, as topic of police: if one is caught in a situation, best option is to shut up and do exactly what the office says.
Usually in such a situation where things can go wrong, as described, the adrenaline that's pumping mixes things up, so just comply and sort it out later when heat has cooled.

It all circles around to respect. As I suggested, years ago if a adult shouted at you to get over here you did so. You never questioned a Police Officer ( Court is to hear your case ). That is the trouble with a lot of the issues today, no respect for anyone or their property.

[kumazatheef]

It all circles around to respect. As I suggested, years ago if a adult shouted at you to get over here you did so.

Like any adult .. even if you didn't know them?? .. that, that's just creepy o.O

You never questioned a Police Officer ( Court is to hear your case ). That is the trouble with a lot of the issues today, no respect for anyone or their property.

Again I ask, who is responsible for allowing that to happen? It's easy for adults to point the blame at the kids, but it's the adults responsibility for raising those kids ... it's like if a coach were to blame the players for losing, it's his job to coach. Which is often why the coach gets fired.