The Inconvenient Indian

[maryjane48]

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Hurtlander wrote:
Not taking side here, just correcting a few things. First off the First Nations were never conquered, there wasn't a war, at

least here in BC, they were just pushed aside, secondly, prior to 1992 there were only two signed treaties in BC, and since 1992 there have only been three or four other treaties signed...the problem here in BC is not having all the First Nations signed on with treaties. Just look to Alberta and Saskatchewan where all the First Nations are under one treaty or another, those provinces don't have the problems we do here in BC when it comes to working in good faith with the First Nations..so in my opinion the problem is not establishing enough treaties in the first place when we had the chance, before the First Nations became educated and learned how to push back...

There are troubles in all there provinces if you keep current with the news.

Saskatchewan as a example, they made partners with the Aboriginals and Casino operations. The deal was, you pay the Government a percentage of the net. When it came time, they wanted to look at the books, the Natives said No, these are our books. I could go on and on but off topic.

Here it's no one will say NO. Look at the horse issues down the road and again, the list could go on and on.



did not address what hurtlander said , am i surprised , no way jose lol

[maryjane48]

kgcayenne wrote:

I keep reading 'We'
We? Who is this We?

'We' is a term that ought to pertain to people living here and now, and not applicable to generations that have passed or their actions, and/or inactions. If you are 'all white' what your ancestors did before you does not define you. My ancestors lost, I get it and therefore refuse to seek 'status'. I am a citizen of Canada, nothing more, nothing less.

As far as I'm concerned, the us vs them mentality must come to an end. There is no merit whatsoever in saying 'we' thisthatortheotherthing.

Living in the past this way ensures nothing can move forward.

If my ancestors (Plains Indians: Blackfoot & Sioux) really wanted to have maintained their cultural heritage, they'd be standing up to the local bands and calling them out for ripping off Plains costumes and dances. If local bands wanted to have maintained their cultural heritage, they'd have stayed true to the actual lifestyle (about as unglamorous as you could possibly imagine) instead of portraying some Hollywood Plains Indian dog & pony show. Yes, bands on this whole friggin continent play into the Hollywood shtick perpetuated for decades. Again, my ancestors lost the battle and now the war, there are thousands of us who are completely over it and live like other residents of this country.

I am sick and tired of having to witness and read about the extremes of greed and poverty that goes on in the so-called 'reserves'. Let's face it, we are all PEOPLE, and PEOPLE are undeniably susceptible to greed and misuse of power, so First Nations are no different and must be regulated to the same standards as the rest of the country. Our governments are doing the best that they can amongst divisive delusions of power and entitlement, and I wouldn't want to be one of those trying to work through the issues as they stand right now. It's all a huge load of BS.

Signed: A Canadian woman of mixed heritage who is not willing to hold the bag for the actions and/or inactions of my multinational predecessors that lived hundreds of years before I.

I live here; I live now. Don't like my take on it? Forget you ever read this and continue being part of the problem

only problem is as hurtlander said , no war , just deals for land , i thought most people were all about deals being honored , but i guess not as long they the ones not part of the deal , feeling green maybe? :)

[maryjane48]

It is not an issue of how our Govt should proceed ,It should not proceed AT ALL , As I said before buy off the Indians once and for all Give them all 5,000.00 dollars for each family member give them each an acre or two in northern sask.They get a job and pay taxes.They can sell their land ,or just buy a house and join society. And that my friends would save us a lot ,Because the billions we will have to keep giving to them will bankrupt us all. They lost ,We won THATS IT!!! assimilate !!! This should be a non issue No where else on Earth would any one be as STUPID as our govt was Thanks to both the French and the English. Enough is Enough already. The natives in this land killed for preffered Hunting grounds and and did not give it back or pay the way for those they defeated.I wonder why freekin idiot came up with that idea in the first place. This was NEVER their land. it goes to the victor,Same as anywhere else on earth.

oh baby lol its going cost little more than 5 grand , longer white govt , waits , more she going to cost

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[Bsuds]

those commie scumbags would be overthrown.

No racism there.

[mexi cali]

LV; if you continue to see only what you want to see, you will never find the truth.

You are about as bitter as it comes and you won't even acknowledge your own people.

This is a one way war for you with no options.

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No racism there.

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[omisimaw]

I do not subscribe to retribution payments at all, but if it was not yours, is not yours and you are in possession of and making the rules over it ... then that has to change.

AS an example: Paying back a head tax to a person personally is one thing, but paying it back to a 4th generation family member is wrong.

hardly , especially when its law in canada , which it seems many people still have no clue how this is going to play out :)

Law? Hardly when it has taken decades for some groups to achieve a pittance of a payment for something that happened to a great great great one long gone and not even known.

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what you fail to realize or maybe it is accept is that not all FN want to go to bed with the govt and make treaties....
So if you wanted this to be a book review maybe you should have presented it as first the writings from the book and not a post of YOUR opinions on a subject and maybe have posted it somewhere more realistic for book reviews.....
Also your analogy of the USA is not all that correct, but carry on!

no my comparison to the us is spot on , they tried the ignore option for years, then it was pointed out that is part of their very being , next thing you know , treaties got settled , natives were happy , whites were happy , most the race tracks and drag strips in us are on native land :)

You understand yourself and that is wonderful but you are still not correct.... now you want to try and make out like all the race facilities in the USA are on native land..... wow! guess you have been to them all too.... want to start naming them ALL

[maryjane48]

I can't believe you can post racist nonsense like this, making First Nations appear to be greedy and money hungry, and call anybody else here a "red-neck". You appear to be the most racist person in this thread by a mile, and if I was First Nations, which I am not, I would not want someone like you speaking for me. They are so much more than just money-grubbing whiners that you are portraying them as here, and personally I think you should be extremely ashamed of yourself.

lol ok mr troll if you say so , but the facts are, i know what most the treats include, its more than 5 grand a person , the nisgha treaty worked out to almost 200 000 per person



some facts
Health, education, social services and other services are now provided under a Fiscal Financing Agreement.

It is important to recognize that Nisga'a Government also contributes to the costs of these programs and services, thereby reducing federal and provincial transfers over time. Nisga'a Government and citizens help finance programs and services in two ways:

through payment of income and sales taxes; and,
by contributing a share of its revenues.
Discussion & Consultation

The Nisga'a Treaty underwent extensive debate in the B.C. Legislature and in Canada's House of Commons and Senate. The Treaty includes provisions that reflect how governments addressed the concerns of the public and third parties, which were brought to the attention of negotiators. Nearly 500 public information and third-party consultation meetings were conducted during the negotiations.


What can other Canadians look to in the Final Agreement to show that this deal is good for them?

Take the taxation provisions, for example. Exemption from some federal and provincial taxes is a part of the Indian Act and has been in place for more than 100 years. Now, for the first time ever in B.C., a First Nation has agreed to end its tax-exempt status. look here , agreed to end tax exempt status , and it will be the model for the rest of the treaties

Once the Treaty is signed, the Nisga'a will enter into an eight-year period to phase out exemptions from sales taxes, and a 12-year period to phase out exemptions from income taxes. After the phase-out periods, Nisga'a citizens will pay taxes the same way as other Canadians do. This is something that many non-Aboriginal people have said they want to see in a treaty.http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/110010 ... 0100031314


it is amazing when people actualy do some research and learn the truth , instead of cowboyism :P