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rustled wrote:

dirtrider wrote:Well then it's not a Muslim problem then? is that what you're saying? Because I thought in this thread and other threads that 's who we were referencing. Now we are writing about immigrants in general. Weren't you writing about where the Muslim leaders were when all the atrocities were occurring? So are we going to disscuss anti feminists sentiments inherent in all refugees now?

This is misidentifying the problem, which does nothing to address it.

When refugees and immigrants are not arriving here with the same cultural expectations we've come to value, we must address this problem.

If Islam does not require sexism from the faithful, the leadership must say so.

If Islam does require sexism, the leadership must deal very clearly with the implications of these attitudes. Same goes for any religion, for any cultural authority.

Frankly, if you can see why the RCC had to accept some responsibility for what happened in our recent past, surely you must be able to see why other religions must take responsibility for what happens, too.

rustled wrote:

rustled wrote:
...and yeah mostly it's positive experience. But in any religion or culture, there is bound to be people that uses this "cover" to commit these crimes. What it boils down to is not about religion or even culture. It's about a "bad" seed.....and that happens in any religion or culture. What I'm saying is this is what is happening in Europe, it's a social economic problem that is the root cause of the "other " problems you are seeing, a manifestation of the core problem. I'm not sure why you can't connect these dots?

I can assure you, I have connected those dots, too. This problem isn't an "either or", and there's no reason to ignore or minimize any of the contributing factors.

If our goal is to effectively help people adapt successfully, all of these factors must be addressed.

Respectfully, dirtrider, it seems to me you're going to great lengths to avoid holding Islam to the same level of accountability you would expect of the RCC. I expect the same level of accountability from all religions and all cultural leaders.

dirtrider wrote:....and your point is that they're not? Yesterday, you didn't seem realize the Muslim leaders all over the world was condemning the terrorism and other heinous acts. But, hopefully you've seen that isn't true. I'm also not sure why you think the Muslim leaders aren't teaching these values in their Mosque, have you gone to one and listened in? It's the same basic message the Christians and the Jewish religion teach. Besides, I'm pretty sure, no matter what they preach, individuals and extremists will do whatever they want to do and this is a general comment for all religions and cultures....you know lead a water to horse but...... They can guide but ultimately the responsibility for one's actions are with the individual.....so I'm not sure why you are trying to set a higher standard for Islamic leaders than you would for other religion and cultures.

The RCC took some responsibility because they got caught and incurred bad publicity. They kept it hush hush for years after it was known what the priest were doing....so pleease.

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