Guaranteed income

[Jflem1983]

Some chatter of this . I don't like the idea . I feel it will only feed lazy leftist types . We already have enough paid protesters . No need for government sponsored protesters . I'm sure I'll get lit up for this comment

[vegas1500]

Link to story?

[whitecandle]

Guaranteed minimum income vs guarantee incomed aka guaranteed income supplement that anyone receiving OAP gets if they meet the criteria.

Guaranteed minimum income - not everyone will receive it.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/24/pf/cana ... index.html

[Jflem1983]

U can bet every protester . Will find a way to qualify . Huge numbers of people will find a way to qualify

[d0nb]

In theory, there is almost nothing that a robot can't do better than we can, and if we simply go on replacing people with machines without confronting the problem of how to allocate the resources of our planet in a way that meets the needs of humanity, there will be blood.

[GordonH]

In theory, there is almost nothing that a robot can't do better than we can, and if we simply go on replacing people with machines without confronting the problem of how to allocate the resources of our planet in a way that meets the needs of humanity, there will be blood.

Very true.
From business owner point of view with robotic automation absolutely no Labour code to follow.

[Dizzy1]

In theory, there is almost nothing that a robot can't do better than we can, and if we simply go on replacing people with machines without confronting the problem of how to allocate the resources of our planet in a way that meets the needs of humanity, there will be blood.

Very true.
From business owner point of view with robotic automation absolutely no Labour code to follow.

I'm sure someone will be demanding sepertate bathrooms for them

[bob vernon]

The reason that this is coming under consideration: the world has become so overpopulated that we are bumping up against the limit of the number of jobs it can provide. This isn't about calling people "leftists" or "1%ers". It's about feeding and hopefully educating the 10 billion, and increasing, of us that we need to put the brakes on population growth.

The western democracies can't be smug much longer. Europe has burned through their natural resources and is being invaded from the south by millions displaced by the Sahara chewing its way into central Africa and similar climate change and turmoil in the Middle East. The US is pretty much mined out. Let's build a wall. Canada still has a ways to go. Be thankful you're here, and not somewhere else. It's not about lazy leftists or evil Muslims. Stop thinking about this month's bank balance. It's about hunger and health.

[maryjane48]

best idea yet . help keep costs to govt dowm and because of the lost jobs to automation and artificial inteligence there is no other choice . it isnt a do nothing and get paid issue . its we dont have another choice plus it will stream line more costly agencys .

[maryjane48]

not only that bob its cheaper for our govt . mkore would be saved than what would go out to those who need it. the choice is raise minumum wage to atleast 20 a hour or this is the only other option . sign the times

[Jflem1983]

Love to take their money . However . Look at all the trash it will pull out of the gutter . Or cash it will throw in the gutter . I guess time will tell . My guess is . This is a giant failure . Leads to huge profits for bars casinos and drug dealers . Does next to nothing to help with any of the social problems it is said to be the cure for . What I would like to see . If they go this route . Make the pay outs big . Get everyone to quit working . Then at least it's sort of fair . The way they have it planned now it will only benefit crooks

[f/22]

Some chatter of this . I don't like the idea . I feel it will only feed lazy leftist types . We already have enough paid protesters . No need for government sponsored protesters . I'm sure I'll get lit up for this comment

Repeat (burp): viewtopic.php?f=26&t=72437#p2175320 (excuse me).

Before those rabid capitalistic Con-dogs attack the idea of basic minimum income with their slavering jaws to infect . . ..

The early post-60s proposal for a program came from one of their own, with this as a rationale:

Conservative-capitalist Milton Friedman, in his 1962 book Capitalism and Freedom, first promoted the concept of a guaranteed basic income. He saw it as a means towards getting people out of the welfare trap by allowing them to participate in consumerism without having a job as well as to up, or subsidise their participation through choosing to work for 'extra' spending money.

Here’s some history homework:

http://basicincome.org/basic-income/history/

Keep them Gucci’s coming. We’ll work for groceries.

[Jflem1983]

Good argument . However I'm no fan of Milton Friedman and the Chicago school . I do like to hear people opinion on subjects . But no I wouldn't agree with Milton on much . Those guys want to rule the world. sort of did for a while .
I'm speaking specifically in Canada . Heck just in these forums . Imagine if these posts were being paid by the government . Sickenening thought .

[f/22]

Not sickening to me. I would love to be handed a job as an AstroTurf installer.

And, maybe this doesn't specifically speak to Canada, but whitecandle may have thought it was an example of what you were talking about in your OP, and you didn't object then . . ..

So.

Guaranteed minimum income vs guarantee incomed aka guaranteed income supplement that anyone receiving OAP gets if they meet the criteria.

Guaranteed minimum income - not everyone will receive it.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/24/pf/cana ... index.html

whitecandle and all,

Below is the youtube version of the video I saw when I opened the article you posted.

Wow! It brought tears to my eyes because it totally shows and tells it like it is in Kentucky right now (yes, what a beautiful place), and I have close blood kin who are living there, exactly that way.

Also, I just got back from a visit to that region and another one that is a thousand miles apart (not kilometres)—the second, a close, but larger clone of the Okanagan economy.

And with so many people wondering how a man like Trump could get elected, I think the following statement from the video is probably bang-on with the reason—even though this person respects what Obama did for some people.

“I think most of America is where we are and that’s why the election went the way it did.”

Another quote, “We were the number one oil producing county east of the Mississippi, and that went away.”

Back then I saw Schlumberger shutting down those wells.

And I don’t believe these people would abuse the benefits they might receive from a guaranteed minimum income.

“I don’t know why my kids have to work two jobs each—we don’t want free college—we don’t want everything free. We want to keep our sense of pride that we take care of ourselves . . ..”

Well worth watching to catch the real meaning of what’s going on in the American, and for some of us, in the Canadian economy these days.

Please, people.

And thanks in advance.

Yeah, go Wildcats!

[maryjane48]

problem is trumps going to put them poor folk through a hell they cant fathom. but your right people when pushed or back into corner will self preserve . if you want avoid a french revolution best to start drawing plans for a minimum income .