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New Ontario law allows govt to seize children if parents opp

New Ontario law allows govt to seize children if parents opp

Postby BelieveNothing » Jun 10th, 2017, 7:22 pm

New Ontario law allows govt to seize children if parents oppose their ‘gender identity’

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Legislation passed by the Canadian province of Ontario has granted authorities the right to take children away from parents who refuse to accept their children’s “gender identity.” Critics of the new measure launched a petition aiming for a repeal of the “totalitarian” child abuse bill.


Out of Ontario’s 86 legislators, 63 voted in favor of Bill 89 or “The Supporting Children, Youth and Families Act of 2017” on June 1.

The legislation replaces the Child and Family Services Act which used to govern child protection, foster care and adoption services in the province.

The new law includes “gender identity” and “gender expression” as factors to be considered by child protection services “in the best interests of the child.”

It deprives parents of their earlier right to “direct the child’s education and religious upbringing.”

The family is now only allowed to “direct the child or young person’s education and upbringing, in accordance with the child’s or young person’s creed, community identity and cultural identity.”

The bill was introduced by Ontario’s minister of child and family services, Michael Coteau, who said, “I would consider that a form of abuse, when a child identifies one way and a caregiver is saying no, you need to do this differently.”

“If it’s abuse, and if it’s within the definition, a child can be removed from that environment and placed into protection where the abuse stops,” Coteau said as cited by Life Site News.

Ontario children and youth advocate, Irwin Elman, hailed the newly adopted law, saying, it creates a “child-centered system of service” in Ontario with “the commitment to anti-racism and children’s rights.”

However, many criticized the new legislation, with Jack Fonseca, senior political strategist for Campaign Life Coalition, saying it signaled “an era of totalitarian power for the state.”

On Monday, Life Site News launched an online petition calling on authorities to repeal the new law and which has so far garnered over 7,000 signatures. The petition argues that the new legislation only acknowledges the minors own “creed” or “religion,” which the appeal argues is a “direct assault” on Christian parents who reject LGBT ideology.

“Christian parents cannot be forbidden from adopting children and the liberal government has no right to seize our children over phony transgender ideology,” the petition reads.

The president of Parents As First Educators (PAFE), told Life Site News that she was “disappointed… not surprised” by the passing of the law. Tanya Granic-Allen said the “liberals [in the Ontario government] have for years been pursuing their anti-parent and anti-family agenda and Bill 89 is the latest installment.”
https://www.rt.com/news/391164-ontario-gender-identity-children/
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Re: New Ontario law allows govt to seize children if parents

Postby Jflem1983 » Jun 11th, 2017, 6:52 am

Ontario needs to rid herself of the Wynn libs . This is ridiculous
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Postby Queen K » Jun 11th, 2017, 6:59 am

Oh God help us all. Politicial Insanity at it's most central core being.
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Postby LiamHaddock » Jun 11th, 2017, 7:44 am

I dont think putting this into law is needed per-say.
That being said Ive known gay/trans youth growing up and some homes and so called "family" were so horrible to them, to the point they lived on streets/friends in order to be themselves. Parents might not agree for religous reasons/ick factor or whatever excuse they use to justify their intolerance/lack of acceptance of their childs gender/sexuality but that doesnt make it ok for them to make childs life horrible, try and fix them/force them to be someone they are not. That is wrong and at a certain point I would consider it abussive if kids arent welcome at home or life is hell at home simply because their parents are to closed minded/ignorant to put their beliefs/ideals aside and still love & support there child no matter what.

TLDR; If you can't accept your child for who they are regardless of gender identity or sexuality, maybe you shouldnt have had a child or have a child.. If you make your childs life hell to the point it could be considered mental abuse or even worse physical abuse. Maybe your children Should be taken from you!

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Re: New Ontario law allows govt to seize children if parents

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Postby The Green Barbarian » Jun 11th, 2017, 5:36 pm

So what happens the first time CFS shows up to take away children of a Muslim family who are not being allowed to change their gender identities? Is it considered "Islamaphobia" to prevent the parents from preventing their children to change genders? Is it child abuse? Or will CFS look the other way if it's not evil and horrible Christians (their sworn enemies) who are doing the abusing? Will it have to go to the Supreme Court and cost the taxpayers millions of dollars to figure out? Oh what ideological pretzels leftists like to tie themselves in when they don't consider the consequences of their actions.
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Postby Queen K » Jun 11th, 2017, 6:48 pm

What happens if a gay couple had adopted and found out their child was a straight neo-conservative? :200:
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Postby GordonH » Jun 11th, 2017, 6:58 pm

Just out of curiosity has anyone actually read the Bill through that was pasted. Yes, I am aware it can be rather dry reading, to answer anyone's question. I have not read it

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Postby Deean » Jun 11th, 2017, 7:41 pm

Its all about Globalisation and UN Agenda 21. Population Control!

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Re: New Ontario law allows govt to seize children if parents

Postby LiamHaddock » Jun 12th, 2017, 6:18 am

Deean wrote:Its all about Globalisation and UN Agenda 21. Population Control!

Tin foil hat time I see! time for some fear monerging... UN Agenda 21 is not as scary as some like to make it out to be. Heres a great article in depth dispelling some of spin/fear mongering the tin foil hat crew like to associate with the agenda.

https://betterworldcampaign.org/un-101/current-issues/agenda-21/
Myth: Agenda 21 seeks to promote a “world government” through the creation of “a centralized planning agency [that] would be responsible for oversight into all areas of our lives.”

Fact: This is probably the most common misperception about Agenda 21. Rather than some sovereignty syphoning conspiracy, Agenda 21 is a totally voluntary and non-binding framework that encourages individual countries to consider the environmental impacts of their land, resource, and transportation development policies.

Adopted at the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) in Rio de Janeiro, Agenda 21 (the 21 refers to the 21st Century) reflects a broad international consensus that worsening poverty and growing stresses on the environment require greater integration between environmental and development concerns. These are concerns that, now over 20 years since the plan was first introduced, we can clearly see are serious and growing.

At the end of the day, implementation of any part of Agenda 21 is up to the individual governments – not the UN. The voluntary and non-binding nature of this agreement has also been confirmed by the Heritage Foundation, a staunch critic of Agenda 21.

Myth: Agenda 21 would supersede the domestic laws of the United States and other sovereign nations.

Fact: As a non-binding agreement, Agenda 21 does not take supremacy over U.S. law. National governments are ultimately in charge of their own development, and neither the UN nor any other international organization has the right to encroach on the sovereignty of any country in the implementation of Agenda 21.


Feel free to read the rest of article. I dont see how it has anything to do with the original topic though. If parents are abusive to children mental or physically due to their sexuality, gender identity or any reason really its still abuse and makes the parents unfit parents and shouldnt be tollerated. If you cant accept your child no mater what even if they turn out to be trans or gay or whatever you shouldnt have kids or have yours removed if thats the case and you cant move past it and still love,accept and support your child. I didnt think this would be needed to put into law but all u have to do is spend some time on these forums to realize some would be ok with children being not accepted, welcomed and/or abused at home and not want the government to be able to help the children escape an abbusive, homophobic home life that is hell for the child!
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Re: New Ontario law allows govt to seize children if parents

Postby Jflem1983 » Jun 12th, 2017, 6:19 am

Allowing a child to have a sex change is abuse .
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Re: New Ontario law allows govt to seize children if parents

Postby LiamHaddock » Jun 12th, 2017, 6:26 am

Jflem1983 wrote:Allowing a child to have a sex change is abuse .

I dont see this ontario law mandating parents have to allow children to have sex changes.. it is making it so parents have to accept and be supportive of gender identity/sexuality.
It should be up to parents to allow surgery of anytype on a minor.
That being said some children are showing signs their genders are incorerct at young age should be supporerd and in teen years sex change should be an option.
They shouldnt be made to geel something is wrong if a boy likes other boys, likes to wear dresses/makeup or a girl likes to dress like a boy.
let your kids be themselves.. you dont have to cut their penis off to be accepting.
If you cant accept your child might not "turn out the way you want" again dont have children or if you end up with a gay/trans whatever child and cant accept them and will be abbusive mentally/physically then maybe theres a better home for your child where they would be accepted and not abused for being themselves and being unlucky enough to be born to such shity unaccepting excuses of skin that call themselves "parents".
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Re: New Ontario law allows govt to seize children if parents

Postby Fancy » Jun 12th, 2017, 6:27 am

Part I Purpose and Interpretation
The paramount purpose of the Act — to promote the best interests, protection and well-being of children — remains unchanged from the current Act.
The additional purposes of the Act are expanded to include the following:
To recognize that services to children and young persons should be provided in a manner that respects regional differences wherever possible and takes into account,
physical, emotional, spiritual, mental and developmental needs and differences among children and young persons;
a child’s or young person’s race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, family diversity, disability, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression; and
a child’s or young person’s cultural and linguistic needs.
To recognize that services to children and young persons and their families should be provided in a manner that builds on the strengths of the families wherever possible.
One of the additional purposes in the current Act is to recognize that services to Indian and native children and families should be provided in a manner that recognizes their culture, heritage and traditions, and the concept of the extended family. This is amended to refer to First Nations, Inuit and Métis children and young persons and families and to their cultures, heritages and traditions and is expanded to also recognize connection to their communities.
There is no longer specific reference to a child’s or young person’s religion in the additional purposes of the Act. However, a child’s or young person’s creed is listed as one of several factors to be considered throughout the new Act. “Creed” is defined to include religion

http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_ ... illID=4479

Maybe reading the bill part by part will put it into perspective.
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