150 asylum requests a day

[jimmy4321]

The US deemed them safe, I'd say we are fine.
At least they speak at least 1 of the official languages from the get go.

[the truth]

i think not, have you seen the crime stats in the usa

[jimmy4321]

Be interesting to see the stats on crime between Haitians and USA born.

[Osoyoos_Familyof4]

Some thoughts and some things I've read in the last few days:

~ There seems to be some issue with the terminology "legal" versus "irregular". Here are some of the things that have been stated by legal professionals and by politicians, also, here are some of the legal precedents set.

* It is legal to show up at a Canadian Border crossing that IS equipped with the specially trained staff to process a refugee claim. Everyone seems to agree that this is a process in place that exists and it does not contravene Canadian law.

* It is "irregular" to show up at a Canadian Land Crossing without the specialty staff needed to make a refugee claim for them. There seems to be some debate on this with some people using the term illegal, and others using the term irregular. The problem is the Canadian legalities are slightly murky in that policy was/is partially set by a Customs Act whose intent was to make judgements calls about customs and duty versus the movement of people. There seems to be some question about whether or not decisions could be challenged in court using this set of rules because it's intent is mostly to address situation concerning trade and goods.

* Canadian law will supercede International directives such as the International Human Rights Act which provides a framework for International refugee issues. Canada is a part of the UN and generally supports UN directives and this act does provide for safe harbour in member nations (including Canada) to shelter people making refugee claims.

Therefore, I am personally unclear if people coming across to Canada are or are not doing something illegal. My original opinion was irregular, but now I'm not so sure. I would like to use the term irregular versus illegal, but again I am not really sure. I suppose the courts will ultimately decide.

(Here are the "thoughts" I have on the subject in general)

~ Canada has been immune to this issue for many years now. We have a some limited history and precedent setting matters in regards to this (like a few waves of boat people) but for the most part we haven't had a ton of experience due to our geography. But European nations have had this crisis for many years. It is absolutely a reality that Europe is suffering a tremendous burden of these cases and I think it appears to be a reality that the developed world will have to figure out. There is no shortage of entirely s h i t t y places to come from in this world and we have been exceedingly LUCKY to be from where we are from. But it is however nothing more than luck that you don't come from South Sudan, or Haiti, or Syria etc. If you were unlucky in where you were born I personally feel that I would roll the dice illegally or irregularly to enter into another country and take my chances, because why wouldn't you, you have nothing to lose.

~ I think it's "Canada's turn" to do out share of processing these people, because it's the morally correct thing to do. I realize not everyone shares this opinion.

~ If they were residents of the USA for some time, or a long time, it should at least be "quick" to do a search on any illegal activity within the USA. I don't know what I don't know, but I have to assume that a records check for illegal activities on American soil ought to be a quick immediate check no? I am comfortable sending someone who has committed a crime in the USA packing though.

[the truth]

do are share ,canada has done its share, are govt has given billions of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to these countries over the years to get there s together

[the truth]

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#203786 we have money for illegals but not for are street youth

[Osoyoos_Familyof4]

From your posts, it seems clear you'd rather not support either @ the truth

[maryjane48]

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-203786-4-.htm#203786 we have money for illegals but not for are street youth

did you not post you came to canada ? well maybe we should show you the door and let some haitians in your place. how about that ? see how your idea works ? becareful what you wish for

[westbankkid]

From your posts, it seems clear you'd rather not support either @ the truth

The best thing is if they cross illegally, then escort them back or lock them up. They are so far from being refugees. They can afford to pay handlers thousands to get to the US or Canada. REFUGEES??? BUL-SH-T!!!!!

[Osoyoos_Familyof4]

^^ Again the word "illegal".

It's only "illegal" if they cross at a border crossing that doesn't have the required "types" of border officer. It can be absolutely LEGAL if they cross at a larger crossing with lots of staff.

It may be illegal (or irregular, depending on who you ask, even immigration lawyers can't agree on the terminology) if they cross not at a border station or at a crossing in general (like through the woods). But even in these cases they are immediately surrendering themselves to RCMP or border officials who will direct them to border services do they can file a refugee claim.

So if they aren't welcome anymore in the USA because of Trump policy this doesn't change the fact that they may not be safe returning to their home country. And some of them might not have lived in their home country for a long time if at all.

So they aren't welcome in the USA, and they maybe aren't safe to go home, so why do you say they aren't refugee.

Again I understand you may not like it, but we do have rules in place for them to just show up and apply, other than an issue about "where" they cross there is a provision for them to apply already on the books.

In regards to refugees using illegal handlers to sneak in, this happens, but not do much in this specific case as these are already folks who have been in the USA first to begin with.

[the truth]

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-203786-4-.htm#203786 we have money for illegals but not for are street youth

did you not post you came to canada ? well maybe we should show you the door and let some haitians in your place. how about that ? see how your idea works ? becareful what you wish for

correct my family, entered canada------- legally---------get it legally---------- get it legally----------

guess you would also have to show the door to 99% of people living in canada then, and you would still be living in a tipi

[Osoyoos_Familyof4]

Again @the truth: Many of them are following OUR law here if they cross at an approved land crossing with appropriate staff.

You keep saying over and over that it's "illegal" which may or may not be true. They aren't all "illegal" crossings. To keep painting them all as "illegals" is just wrong and you saying it over and over doesn't make it so.

[Smurf]

Has he said anywhere that the ones coming through proper border crossings are illegal. I mostly agree with him and have also argued they are illegal and should be sent straight out of the country. I have also explained what I believe is the difference between legal and illegal. I might be wrong but I believe he and others on here feel the same way as myself. Actually I would say he expressed that opinion above.

The truth wrote:

correct my family, entered canada------- legally---------get it legally---------- get it legally----------

guess you would also have to show the door to 99% of people living in canada then, and you would still be living in a tipi

He is not saying someone cannot come into Canada, just do it legally. They can be properly checked out, turned back immediately for any of the proper reasons and our systems would not be totally overloaded. It has been said here they do it illegally because many would be turned back at the border. If that is true it tells me that they should be sent back immediately when they come in illegally. If there is reason to send them back, why should they get in.

[The Green Barbarian]

Again @the truth: Many of them are following OUR law here if they cross at an approved land crossing with appropriate staff.

You keep saying over and over that it's "illegal" which may or may not be true. They aren't all "illegal" crossings. To keep painting them all as "illegals" is just wrong and you saying it over and over doesn't make it so.

uh, they are all illegal. Don't you watch the news?

[jimmy4321]

They are currently allowed in the US, so is it "possible" these people are able to legally obtain a passport to legally visit Canada? I dont know.
If that's the case they could visit up to 6months annually. If they took that route they could overstay and get lost in Canada till they are caught.
i' d rather nab them at the border now wherever they cross which isn't difficult as they are knowingly walking into custody.

Also I'm talking about Haitians who were allowed in US as part of that natural disaster.