Trump or Trudeau

Who would you rather be Prime Minister

Justin Trudeau
31
43%
Donald Trump
41
57%
 
Total votes : 72

Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Ka-El » Dec 25th, 2017, 11:41 am

Jflem1983 wrote:Obama was and still is widely hated. No one wants him back.

A total of 52 per cent of Americans are yearning for Mr Obama, found a survey from Public Policy Polling, while just 43 per cent are glad that Mr Trump is in the White House.

Furthermore, 40 per cent want the new President to be impeached, up from 35 per cent one week ago.
More than 500,000 people have also signed up to a petition …

Mr Trump, despite winning the electoral college, lost the popular vote by close to three million votes and is already suffering the lowest popularity ratings in contemporary American history.

The low numbers come down to opposition to his policies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 60256.html

http://www.financialexpress.com/world-n ... ll/536598/

http://www.okayplayer.com/news/most-ame ... ident.html

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 73491.ece#!

https://thegrio.com/2017/02/03/most-ame ... bama-back/

https://dailyasianage.com/news/47156/am ... poll-shows

meanwhile, back in Canada …

Justin Trudeau received a present from voters just in time for the holidays; his Liberals still hold a seven point lead over the Conservatives despite a string of negative headlines, according to a new Ipsos poll.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3931630/trud ... psos-poll/


This poll, of course, excludes a very isolated pocket of select Castanet forum contributors.
While the research shows that people with right-wing views tend to be less intelligent than those with left-wing views,
the continued excuse-making and support for Donald Trump indicates researchers have underestimated by how much.
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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 25th, 2017, 11:44 am

I think the castanet poll at the top of this page is a good indicator. Keep in mind we have a ton of die hard liberals here . Desperate for progressive values. Im not one of them
Now they want to take our guns away . That would be just fine. Take em away from the criminals first . Ill gladly give u mine. "Charlie Daniels"

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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Ka-El » Dec 25th, 2017, 11:49 am

Jflem1983 wrote:I think the castanet poll at the top of this page is a good indicator. Keep in mind we have a ton of die hard liberals here . Desperate for progressive values. Im not one of them

Keep in mind Kelowna has always been a Conservative riding. Yes, the Castanet poll would be a very good indicator of the opinion of people who log on to Castanet and participate in their polls. Very scientific (lol), but also very reflective of the mindset of a small and isolated group whose opinions have been clearly shown not to reflect the stance of most Canadians.
While the research shows that people with right-wing views tend to be less intelligent than those with left-wing views,
the continued excuse-making and support for Donald Trump indicates researchers have underestimated by how much.

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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby sobrohusfat » Dec 25th, 2017, 1:32 pm

you may be right - Canadians may be a weak bunch of subdued mollusks content with hanging-on to the illusion of Trudeau's LaLaLand... while it lasts.

maybe not - we'll see
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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Ka-El » Dec 25th, 2017, 1:47 pm

sobrohusfat wrote: you may be right - Canadians may be a weak bunch of subdued mollusks content with hanging-on to the illusion of Trudeau's LaLaLand...

And as long as the partisans continue to believe it is because Canadians are a weak bunch of subdued mollusks that the Conservatives are not in power, the majority of us can rest more assured they will not find power again anytime soon.

Happy Hanukkah :biggrin:
While the research shows that people with right-wing views tend to be less intelligent than those with left-wing views,
the continued excuse-making and support for Donald Trump indicates researchers have underestimated by how much.

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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby sobrohusfat » Dec 25th, 2017, 2:03 pm

sobrohusfat wrote:....we'll see
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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby voice of reason » Dec 26th, 2017, 1:42 am

trudeau cried when he saw the results of this poll
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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 26th, 2017, 3:28 am

Ka-El wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote:I think the castanet poll at the top of this page is a good indicator. Keep in mind we have a ton of die hard liberals here . Desperate for progressive values. Im not one of them

Keep in mind Kelowna has always been a Conservative riding. Yes, the Castanet poll would be a very good indicator of the opinion of people who log on to Castanet and participate in their polls. Very scientific (lol), but also very reflective of the mindset of a small and isolated group whose opinions have been clearly shown not to reflect the stance of most Canadians.



Run this in Alberta Trudeau pulls about 20 percent of people not 40. Even Kelowna. 10 years ago was a good conservative place. The demograpgics have changed with the university however. Now we are just a metrosexual shot hole.
It has been quite alarming watching the decline happen so fast. Our current mayor and council are the most sickening thing to ever happen here

Sorry i can not come up with any other reason to explain how its even close. Trump should be farther ahead
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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Jlabute » Dec 26th, 2017, 10:35 am

Support for Trudeau continues to fall. Now that the Canadian economy is waning, it will sting more sheep into reconsidering where they stand. Trudeau is sending vast amounts of money $10B+ out of Canada since you know he is actually not Canadian... Canada as a nation does not exist to him, while we mount enormous debt under this bleep. He is a traitor bent on the slow destruction of our nation, as Trump works hard to save the US.

https://www.spencerfernando.com/2017/03/20/globalism-trudeau-canada-spends-10-billion-foreign-aid/

Canadian debt is the largest ever, interest rates rising, inflation rising, federal debt rising, NAFTA potentially screwed, Trudeau can’t negotiate for the life of us without being ridiculed. The only thing he knows how to do is give away our inheritance for a seat on the UN Security Council so he can wear a UN good guy pin.
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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Ka-El » Dec 26th, 2017, 11:50 am

^ I’m not going to defend Trudeau. You made some good points that should be acknowledged and discussed. Unfortunately, your credibility was blown with this little jewel, “… as Trump works hard to save the US”. If there is any positive to the Trump presidency, it is the awakening across the States and the Globe of just how scary this agenda of the so-called populists.

Comparing the ‘Trump economy’ to the ‘Obama economy’

The Trump administration likes to brag about the economy. A lot. During a Fox News interview with Laura Ingraham on Nov. 2, Trump boasted about the economic gains during his first year in office, calling it “one of the greatest [economic revivals] in the history of our country.” He added: “I’m not getting enough credit for it.” It’s not just Trump who brags ….

Since February, after Trump took office, the economy has gained nearly 1.7 million jobs, according to preliminary data on nonfarm payroll for November. But once again, the job gains are part of a multiyear trend that started in 2010 while Obama was still in office ….

The stock market

Just one month into taking office, Trump bragged about the stock market. During a news conference on Feb. 2, he claimed, “the stock market has hit record numbers.” We’ve pointed out before that this talking point is a flip-flop for Trump, who dismissed stock-market performance under Obama as a “big, fat bubble” ready to pop. (The U.S. stock market had been rising steadily since March 2009, shortly after Obama took office.) …

The Pinocchio Test

Sanders suggests that its outlandish to give Obama credit for the current economy, claiming that “we can all agree the economy is better under Trump.” The problem is, Trump’s economy owes largely to trends started in the Obama era. By almost every economic measure, the upward trends Sanders and Trump cite began while Obama was still in office.

much more ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... b9c5603d50

All most Americans want is Obama back in office. Only the most gullible believes Trump has done or ever will do anything for the US that does not serve his own self-interest first. Filling the swamp, embracing nepotism in the White House, behaving like a petulant child on the world stage, and making Trudeau easily look more the established statesman by comparison.
While the research shows that people with right-wing views tend to be less intelligent than those with left-wing views,
the continued excuse-making and support for Donald Trump indicates researchers have underestimated by how much.
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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Ka-El » Dec 26th, 2017, 12:03 pm

Jflem1983 wrote: Even Kelowna. 10 years ago was a good conservative place. The demograpgics have changed with the university <snip> i can not come up with any other reason to explain how its even close. Trump should be farther ahead

Sorry. Perhaps not everyone yet in Kelowna is excited by the idea of creating a conservative Christian ethnostate there. Perhaps now you can recognize how evolution, including social, cultural and political evolution is inevitable and ongoing. Despite the fears of conservatives, the world will continue to change and evolve – driven either by tolerance and inclusion, or by fear, intolerance, division and hate. Perhaps the populists have shown their hand too soon, and the population at large not ready to jump on their hate-filled band wagon with them. We’ll see next election. I hope you guys continue with your vocal support of Trump and conservatism. Perhaps some fear is what is needed to motivate people to get out and vote.
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the continued excuse-making and support for Donald Trump indicates researchers have underestimated by how much.
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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby sobrohusfat » Dec 26th, 2017, 12:08 pm

While it's never possible for any of us to see the whole picture fully and completely when dealing with politicians of any type...


we can at least be united in this simple sentiment...






Here's to hoping for the best in 2018 and beyond :130:


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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Ka-El » Dec 26th, 2017, 12:28 pm

sobrohusfat wrote: we can at least be united in this simple sentiment...

good one :130:
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the continued excuse-making and support for Donald Trump indicates researchers have underestimated by how much.
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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby Catsumi » Dec 26th, 2017, 9:06 pm

voice of reason wrote:trudeau cried when he saw the results of this poll



It's a rare day indeed when he isn't crying about something or other.

Not that we REALLY have much choice as to what we end up with (thanks to the Easterners), this faux poll shows that we would take the Donald over our Justa Twerp any day,

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nothing wrong with being open minded as long as your brains don't fall out.

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Re: Trump or Trudeau

Postby fvkasm2x » Dec 28th, 2017, 7:44 am

It appears as though people are asking the same question about JT, that Omnitheo asked about Trump.

What good has he done so far in office? Is there any decision that makes him stand out as a great choice?


http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnist ... DrutxNZCpu


Jean Chretien held a net positive approval rating for almost six years. Stephen Harper for just two. Now, two years and two months into his mandate, more Canadians disapprove of the job being done by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau than approve.

Why not? And with almost nothing to show after two years of government, why shouldn’t his popularity sink even lower in 2018?

Earlier this month, Angus Reid reported that Trudeau’s approval rating is now 46%, less than the 49% who disapprove. It’s a big drop since September 2016, when his approval was 65% with 30% disapproving.

Today, Trudeau is now officially an unpopular prime minister.

The problem isn’t just Trudeau’s and Finance Minister Bill Morneau’s scandals. It’s that the Liberals have no story of success to tell.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau hold copies of the federal budget on their way to the House of Commons in Ottawa, Wednesday, March 22, 2017.
During the Morneau scandal, the Liberals’ counter-narrative was that economic times are great and things have never been better.

But all our experience says that’s just not true. For many Canadians, these are difficult times.

There’s a crisis of crummy jobs. Census data from 2015 shows less than half of Canadians between 25 and 54 years of age are employed in full-time, year-round jobs. That’s stunning. Statistics Canada has never before found a lower rate.

Wage growth is slow. The current median wage sits at $23 an hour—about $46,000 a year—up from $22 when the Liberals were elected two years ago. The change is above inflation, but not much.


A store closing sign is shown on a Sears store at the Oakville Place mall on Nov. 23, 2017.
The cost of everyday life goes up. Childcare fees are rising faster than inflation. Tuition goes up and up. Big mortgages and rising rents eat up paycheques. In many parts, the cost of electricity and cellphones are way up.

Savings security is weak. Employers are switching to less secure pension plans. And we all saw what happened to Sears workers —and how our laws don’t help.

Canadians are holding historic levels of household debt — credit cards, car loans, lines of credit, mortgages and tuition debt. Hopefully interest rates don’t climb too fast.

Now throw in the toll of fentanyl, violence, alcoholism and mental illness. The stories can be grim.

These are the issues that matter to Canadians. These are the issues our leaders need to be focused on.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau meets with the Aga Khan on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Tuesday, May 17, 2016. Federal ethics commissioner Mary Dawson has concluded that Trudeau violated conflict of interest rules when he vacationed last Christmas at the private Bahamian island owned by the Aga Khan.
Sure, times are great in that other world — the world of the Aga Khan’s private Caribbean island or Morneau’s French villa. Or the world of high-earning Canadians getting money from Liberal tax cuts.

But that’s not the world that needs government attention. Though it seems to be the one getting it.

Our national leaders need to focus on what matters to Canadians. They’re not.

After two years of Trudeau, there’s no childcare plan. No effort to control tuition fees. No pharmacare plan. Federal health care funding is falling behind inflation and population growth. Housing and rent assistance was delayed until after the next election. Action to fight addictions and mental illness is missing. Today’s problems are not being addressed.

In fact, Trudeau is weakening pensions with Bill C-27 and creating an Infrastructure Bank to privatize finance — which will add user fees, fares and tolls. How does that help?

For two years Justin Trudeau has been focused on himself — not what matters to Canadians. At the end of 2017, his story is disappointment. Amid scandal now, it’s a dangerous way to enter 2018.

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