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Scheer's policy failure

Scheer's policy failure

Postby bob vernon » Aug 17th, 2017, 11:24 am

Newly minted federal Conservative leader's policy announcement of pulling funding from any Canadian university that failed to allow "free speech" was quickly rescinded when he suddenly realized that he was aligning himself with extreme right wing hate groups. He's in favour of free speech, but he's not. The University of Toronto's recent ban of a hate rally on campus would have put the university at odds with Scheer's pledge to pull federal funding from the U of T if elected. He's changed his mind. He misspoke. It wasn't really policy yet. It's all the media's fault. It's fake news.

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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby Ka-El » Aug 18th, 2017, 7:02 am

Kudos to Scheer for recognizing there is a difference between “free speech” and “hate speech” …

A pledge by Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer to yank federal funding from universities that fail to uphold free speech wouldn't apply to a decision by the University of Toronto to ban a nationalist rally from campus, his spokesman said Wednesday. …

While Enwright could not articulate exactly why the decision to bar the Canadian Nationalist Party event didn't meet the threshold, he said Scheer will be working with universities to prevent loopholes for events that risk violating Canadian law.

"Mr. Scheer is committed to working with the universities to ensure that any policy he brings forward does not become a platform for hate speech," Enwright said.

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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 18th, 2017, 7:21 am

so are BLM and Antifa also being banned from University campuses? Or is only certain types of hate being banned?
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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby bob vernon » Aug 18th, 2017, 10:00 am

It's just like basic mathematics. If there are haters like Nazis, white supremacists, and Rebel supporters they can be hated by the rest of us who are well adjusted and don't normally hate. We just turn on the hate when we see the bad people. The negatives cancel out each other and it becomes a positive. See? It's really easy. We then go back to enjoying our lives instead of being bitter, twisted, and negative all the time.
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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby bob vernon » Aug 18th, 2017, 10:06 am

Oh yeah, and Scheer's flip flop on his policy of cutting off funding for any university that impinges on his right-wingers' free speech is simple. There are really, really a lot of seats in Toronto. And the voters there don't take kindly to Nazis and white supremacists. It'll fly well in Alberta and Saskatchewan, though.
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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby Glacier » Aug 18th, 2017, 10:33 am

Ka-El wrote:Kudos to Scheer for recognizing there is a difference between “free speech” and “hate speech” …

He's also refusing to do interview with The Rebel.

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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby neilsimon » Aug 18th, 2017, 10:33 am

The Green Barbarian wrote:so are BLM and Antifa also being banned from University campuses? Or is only certain types of hate being banned?

Yes, I'm sure that only speech advocating hatred of people, rather than hatred of oppression, will be banned by Universities, though I'm sure that the Universities will be free to determine their own standards and codes of conduct.

Thankfully, most sensible people can differentiate between the kind of hate core to the KKK, White supremacists, etc. and the hate sometimes expressed by BLM and Antifa members.

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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby neilsimon » Aug 18th, 2017, 10:36 am

Glacier wrote:
Ka-El wrote:Kudos to Scheer for recognizing there is a difference between “free speech” and “hate speech” …

He's also refusing to do interview with The Rebel.

Would you blame him? It's evidence that Ka-El is correct.
Even The Rebel is trying to clean up their mess and distance themselves from the extremist element that has become fairly core to them and their supporters. I just don't see what they will have left to differentiate themselves when they do.
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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby Glacier » Aug 18th, 2017, 11:14 am

neilsimon wrote:Would you blame him? It's evidence that Ka-El is correct.

I don't remember ever saying Ka-El was wrong, but no, I don't blame him.

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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby maryjane48 » Aug 18th, 2017, 12:45 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote:so are BLM and Antifa also being banned from University campuses? Or is only certain types of hate being banned?

why would defenders of good be banned . only a alt righter would think that and we all saw in virginia where alt right lands on side of history :smt045
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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby maryjane48 » Aug 18th, 2017, 12:47 pm

sheers out dated views on abortion and other than hetro is what will prevennt him from being pm . because even that will rightly now be tied to the intolerance of the alt right :smt045
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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 18th, 2017, 4:43 pm

maryjane48 wrote:why would defenders of good be banned . only a alt righter would think that and we all saw in virginia where alt right lands on side of history :smt045


There is no way anyone could argue that the Antifa scum are "defenders of good." Anyone peddling this garbage is truly delusional. Hate is evil, and so are the Antifa slime. There is no way anyone from that hate-filled organization should be allowed on a campus anywhere.
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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby Omnitheo » Aug 18th, 2017, 5:10 pm

How many people did antifa kill last week? How many people were killed by nazis?

Which group was carrying torches and shouting hate speech?

Sorry GB. You can't deflect from who the real perpetrators of violence and hate are. I don't see where antifa is shouting hate speech about other races.

Guaranteed though if any of our relatives who fought in WW2 involved themselves in Charlottesville, they would not have been on the side of the nazis.
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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby maryjane48 » Aug 18th, 2017, 5:20 pm

omni their argument is same as saying isis is blaming christians for their troubles . your are 100 percent correct in your observation that its a false comparrison . simplely one side is causeing terror and blaming others and other side is standing up to the alt right . sure be nice if could be done with out anyone getting hurt but justt like in spain where the police had to shoot 6 bad guys here if few kkk get hurt so be it .
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Re: Scheer's policy failure

Postby Glacier » Aug 18th, 2017, 5:31 pm

Antifa/Communists have killed more people than anyone. Nazis are more violent, BUT there are far viewer Nazis/Neo-Nazis than Antifa/Communists, which is why they have a long way to catch up to the Communists. Both are violent sadistic ideologies, and anyone who defends either is a racist scmbag. Being a Nazi is worse than being a Communist just like raping 8 women is worse than raping 4.

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