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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Treblehook » Sep 1st, 2017, 12:45 pm

/Reference: https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/2 ... es-dropped

Canada's judicial system is now dysfunctional. When *bleep* drug dealers and murderers are being allowed to walk out the door because the prosecutors and courts can't get their acts together to hear evidence in a timely fashion. Dismissal of charges because of trial delay is just one more symptom of the people in the system, running the system. Maybe it is time that the Judges, Prosecutors and Legal Counsel became more accountable to an outside entity. The current situation is ridiculous and needs to be fixed sooner rather than later.

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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby dogspoiler » Sep 1st, 2017, 1:12 pm

Bringing bungling incompetence to a whole new level.

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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby bob vernon » Sep 1st, 2017, 1:33 pm

"Maybe it is time that the Judges, Prosecutors and Legal Counsel became more accountable to an outside entity."

Or...................

Maybe the politicians like Steverino and Christy who allowed QC positions to remain vacant and closed courthouses should be responsible. The backup is because the workload was just allowed to build greater and greater for a decade. Conservative law 'n order folks couldn't possibly be responsible for the mess, could they?
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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby The Green Barbarian » Sep 1st, 2017, 1:46 pm

bob vernon wrote:Maybe the politicians like Steverino and Christy who allowed QC positions to remain vacant and closed courthouses should be responsible. The backup is because the workload was just allowed to build greater and greater for a decade. Conservative law 'n order folks couldn't possibly be responsible for the mess, could they?


LOL - still blaming previous governments which is just wrong. Here's why the courts are backed up - it's the same nonsense the Liberals are practicing with the whole "you have to have the right genitals to be a cabinet minister" nonsense.

McAdie is one of a growing number of litigants in B.C. who are having their cases bumped from the courts because of the chronic shortage of judges. The B.C. Supreme Court, the province’s superior trial court, is short nine judges, with another seven judges expected to retire by September.

“It’s unfortunate that we don’t have a sufficient complement of judges to permit the court to accommodate the needs of the public,” Hinkson said at the March 6 appearance. “There’s nothing I can do about that unfortunately.”

Hinkson pointed to delays by the new Liberal government in Ottawa in filling the vacancies, some of which he said had been outstanding for almost a year. When the Liberals came to power, they changed the process for federal appointments of judges, looking to increase diversity on the bench. Judicial advisory committees, which vetted candidates, were scrapped and after the last round of superior-court appointments, they also scrapped approved lists of candidates.

Earlier this year, the government established new judicial committees and asked people to reapply for the vacancies.

Michael Welsh, president of the B.C. branch of the Canadian Bar Association, said he understands that about 15 applications have come in so far in B.C. But he said the new appointment process was “very time-consuming” and much more extensive than the previous process.

“My own prediction is that we’ll have no more appointments to our superior courts until towards the end of this year. It’ll worsen the backlog.”


Justin Trudeau and the Liberals - such complete and total idiots!! And here the apologists are trying to blame Harper. Just stupidity abounding everywhere on this issue.
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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Treblehook » Sep 1st, 2017, 2:53 pm

bob vernon wrote:"Maybe it is time that the Judges, Prosecutors and Legal Counsel became more accountable to an outside entity."

Or...................

Maybe the politicians like Steverino and Christy who allowed QC positions to remain vacant and closed courthouses should be responsible. The backup is because the workload was just allowed to build greater and greater for a decade. Conservative law 'n order folks couldn't possibly be responsible for the mess, could they?


Absolutely. The prosecutor's offices have been understaffed for years; there has been a shortage of judges and courts building for years, and there have been inadequate resources in the group that provides services to and for the courts. That having been said, there is still a collective responsibility of the courts and the prosecutors to ensure that the serious and more important cases get through the system. I do believe there is altogether too little objection voiced by the general public.. our political leaders [Provincially and Federally] obviously are not feeling the heat. The criminal courts in Canada are run by the provinces and the ministers responsible need to hear from the public on their failures.

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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Queen K » Sep 1st, 2017, 2:56 pm

Treblehook wrote:/Reference: https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/2 ... es-dropped

Canada's judicial system is now dysfunctional. When *bleep* drug dealers and murderers are being allowed to walk out the door because the prosecutors and courts can't get their acts together to hear evidence in a timely fashion. Dismissal of charges because of trial delay is just one more symptom of the people in the system, running the system. Maybe it is time that the Judges, Prosecutors and Legal Counsel became more accountable to an outside entity. The current situation is ridiculous and needs to be fixed sooner rather than later.


I think the delays are planned. Someone at some top level is making money on the side from gangsters and until there is accountability, gangsters "just can't be found" or "or can't be found guilty."

Look at the body count on the lower mainland. Adding up quick but the gangsters just can't be found.
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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Catsumi » Sep 1st, 2017, 3:28 pm

It wasn't that far back, maybe 30-40 years ago that Canada was a relatively peaceful and safe place to live in.

Criminals were charged, processed and incarcerated in a timely fashion. Issue over with.

So, what the devil happened in the meantime? Does a day pass now when there are not shootings, murders, drug cartels doing their dirty work, kidnappings, rapes, road rage and all other silliness (not including government related crimes) fodder for the news?

It was once a national attention riveter when a murder happened in a little burg in the hinterland, but now has become so common that we hardly notice anymore.

With our (in)justice system in chaos, barely and unsatisfactorily functioning, will we ever be able to set this country on a lawful course ever again?

Honestly, aren't we all just about fed up to the teeth with criminals' apologists?

If only we could take this younger generation back to see how civil it once was.

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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Ka-El » Sep 1st, 2017, 3:46 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote: LOL - still blaming previous governments which is just wrong.

While there are arguably more efficient processes yet to be found, our Courts are backed up mainly because of ideological approaches to funding public services (by guys with genitals). Watching offenders walk free as a result of lack of due process was something people in the system saw coming years ago and warned about it. Yup, just saving money all over the place.
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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Hassel99 » Sep 1st, 2017, 4:16 pm

Prosecutors who can not bring a case to court in a timely manner should be charged with obstruction of justice

Time to appoint an independent special prosecutor to go after prosecutors!

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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Ka-El » Sep 1st, 2017, 4:32 pm

Hassel99 wrote: Time to appoint an independent special prosecutor to go after prosecutors!

... or they could just allocate Crown the resources to do the job. Even easier.

(of course, the legal assistance system that has been decimated also plays a huge role in trial delays)
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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Smurf » Sep 2nd, 2017, 5:45 am

Does anyone think our charter might also have something to do with it. It opened a whole can of worms on so many fronts. The idea was good but the solution was not so great. The hands of the police are tied more and more. The hands of the judicial system are tied more and more. The work involved now to bring someone to trial is overwhelming. Lawyers are having parties all the way to the bank with what is going on these days. Is there a chance that the pendulum has swung the wrong way and the criminal actually has too many rights in many cases.
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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Ka-El » Sep 2nd, 2017, 5:54 am

Smurf wrote: Is there a chance that the pendulum has swung the wrong way and the criminal actually has too many rights in many cases.

There is an argument for that, but the "criminal" has the same rights as you in that he is innocent until "proven" guilty. Those rights are there so that innocent people are not unduly prosecuted by police or state, or convicted and incarcerated for crimes they did not commit (because that still does happen). Are you ready to give up your rights to due process?
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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Gilchy » Sep 2nd, 2017, 6:16 am

Catsumi wrote:It wasn't that far back, maybe 30-40 years ago that Canada was a relatively peaceful and safe place to live in.

Criminals were charged, processed and incarcerated in a timely fashion. Issue over with.

So, what the devil happened in the meantime? Does a day pass now when there are not shootings, murders, drug cartels doing their dirty work, kidnappings, rapes, road rage and all other silliness (not including government related crimes) fodder for the news?

It was once a national attention riveter when a murder happened in a little burg in the hinterland, but now has become so common that we hardly notice anymore.

With our (in)justice system in chaos, barely and unsatisfactorily functioning, will we ever be able to set this country on a lawful course ever again?

Honestly, aren't we all just about fed up to the teeth with criminals' apologists?

If only we could take this younger generation back to see how civil it once was.

I know, wish on....


The news-everywhere cycle has everyone seeing a boogeyman behind every corner. Crime is lower tone than in the "good old days". According to Stats-Cam:
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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Ka-El » Sep 2nd, 2017, 6:44 am

Gilchy wrote: The news-everywhere cycle has everyone seeing a boogeyman behind every corner. Crime is lower tone than in the "good old days". According to Stats-Cam:

The availability heuristic is a mental shortcut that relies on immediate examples that come to a given person's mind when evaluating a specific topic, concept, method or decision. The availability heuristic operates on the notion that if something can be recalled, it must be important, or at least more important than alternative solutions which are not as readily recalled. Subsequently, under the availability heuristic, people tend to heavily weigh their judgments toward more recent information, making new opinions biased toward that latest news.

While crime is, in fact, down overall, there are other trends that raise concern, such as an increase in violent crime (most often related to gangs and the drug trade). Media sensationalizes these crimes, and people think it is rampant. Still, it is hard to deny the concern over the number of shootings we here about almost daily in the lower mainland, and now in Kelowna too? If we want to prosecute the dangerous offenders, we need to give police, Crown, and the entire criminal justice system the means and resources in which to do it. We could see the possibility of matters being dismissed as a result of lack of due process years ago, and today we are paying for some pretty terrible fiscal decisions made by previous governments.
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Re: Gangster's Charges Dropped

Postby Gone_Fishin » Sep 2nd, 2017, 7:31 am

Ka-El wrote:
The Green Barbarian wrote: LOL - still blaming previous governments which is just wrong.

While there are arguably more efficient processes yet to be found, our Courts are backed up mainly because of ideological approaches to funding public services (by guys with genitals). Watching offenders walk free as a result of lack of due process was something people in the system saw coming years ago and warned about it. Yup, just saving money all over the place.


So you're not blaming Christy this time? I'm buying a lotto ticket.
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