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Canadas shame

Canadas shame

Postby maryjane48 » Sep 8th, 2017, 12:45 am

Bridget Tolley, lives on the Kitigan Zibi Anishinabeg First Nation in Quebec. An Algonquin community of over 1,500 people located east of Ottawa, the community has three public water systems which Health Canada says have all been under drinking water advisories since 1999. Tolley’s house draws water from a private well but it too is unsafe to drink.


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Re: Canadas shame

Postby androhn » Sep 9th, 2017, 11:30 am

I dont get it, why title this post about Trudeau, but then write about something else?

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Postby Rider59 » Sep 9th, 2017, 11:34 am

So would self government mean they have to fund these projects themselves?

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Postby MattJ » Sep 9th, 2017, 12:38 pm

Rider59 wrote:So would self government mean they have to fund these projects themselves?

It's only "self governance" until it requires paying for something. Then it's whitey's fault.

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Postby bob vernon » Sep 9th, 2017, 12:49 pm

I think that it would mean they'd fund these projects much like regional districts and municipal gumments do. With grants from senior gumments.
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Postby alfred2 » Sep 9th, 2017, 1:13 pm

I do not understand, why have they not taken the money they get and do something properly.Why do they have to have govt. do it, grow up and look after yourself. :130:

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Re: Canadas shame

Postby Opeeved » Sep 9th, 2017, 1:18 pm

MattJ wrote:
Rider59 wrote:So would self government mean they have to fund these projects themselves?

It's only "self governance" until it requires paying for something. Then it's whitey's fault.

It is whitey's fault. A continent full of manifest destiny aboriginals that got "discovered" by whitey and genocidally obliterated and the survivors forced onto mostly worthless reservations, "legally" made by whitey, where they now reside as nations wanting a little self determination awash of people (who btw stand up for self dertermination themselves) that don't get this simple fact and resent aboriginals for it.

Look around the world, there's nations that can't get over past wrongs-Israeli, poles, Ukrainian, iraqis, ... something within living memory can't be just "gotten over".
Reconciliation. Look it up.

As for the op. In a sense, first nation (and in fairness to whitey, that term imo is childish. We were here first. So what, is that the bench mark, play ground mentality?)
Clean, fresh water is the most basic necessity for all. Our whitey (i totally laugh at my whiteyness. We have to) communities in the okanagan e.g. often have boil water advisories. To me as a citizen tax payer, since Canada holds the "entire" world's fresh water supply, vehemently object to that. For anyone in this country.

What the hell can't authorities figure out about this? And why the hell do I pay services and taxes for something as basic as water utilities without being provided with that necessity , safely and cleanly?

Screw the politics. This is a basic charter (Bill, if you don't agree with the charter) right for anyone living within the democratic dominion of Canada.
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Re: Canadas shame

Postby maryjane48 » Sep 10th, 2017, 1:12 pm

Hilary Beaumont
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INDIGENOUS WATER CRISIS
“Total disaster”
VICE News spoke with bureaucrats who slammed Ottawa’s approach, analyzed reports and leaked documents showing government under-funding, and looked at the issues behind Canada’s Indigenous water crisis
Inside Ottawa’s failure to fix the First Nations drinking water crisis
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By Justin Ling Sep 7, 2017
Bringing clean drinking water to First Nations across Canada isn’t rocket science. More often than not, it simply requires commitment: Not just in cash, but in resources to help communities manage the facilities.

A VICE News analysis of government disclosure documents illustrates exactly how a lack of funding has kept First Nations on a list of reserves where the water is not safe to drink.

The infrastructure reports show that, between the 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 fiscal years, just 25 percent of identified water infrastructures costs on First Nations were funded by the federal government, then under Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Aboriginal Affairs Minister Bernard Valcourt.

A leaked briefing note from 2016 reveals that, even as water infrastructure fails, government can be slow to act.

Two civil servants — one current, one former — from Indigenous and Northern Affairs Canada (INAC) confirmed the funding issues, and spoke candidly about the department’s infrastructure strategy for First Nations, especially when it comes comes to drinking water, and described a flawed and broken process.



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Re: Canadas shame

Postby Deean » Sep 10th, 2017, 3:41 pm

androhn wrote:I dont get it, why title this post about Trudeau, but then write about something else?


Trudeau is not Canada. If you did not actually read it, the post is about poor quality of water on a First Nations Reserve. Obviously Harper did nothing, and although Trudeau said he would.........so far nothing!!
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Re: Canadas shame

Postby Catsumi » Sep 10th, 2017, 5:28 pm

Quelle surprise!

Has Trudeau kept ANY promises ??
I can and WILL spray mercaptans all over your ill-considered & vacuous statements.
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Re: Canadas shame

Postby Chyren » Sep 11th, 2017, 5:12 am

Look at the current "self government" model as it exists in Nunavut. The Inuit are looking after their own affairs. How many places in the North are in the same boat with respect to water issues?

The fact that its taken this long to fix the water problems on the reserves should be looked at very seriously and there should be an account of the way finances are spent.

How does the government do that? As soon as the government asks for the reserve books to be opened then another "fight" begins. Professionally audit the reserves, if there's issues with spending then work together to fix them. If there's a need for more money then provide it and help them. Often times there's a huge difference between the Band that handles the finances and the people that need that money and we've seen examples of it over and over.

Time to set aside the age old arguments about the past. People need help and its time to roll up the sleeves and help each other and this only happens when both sides decide to work together.

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Re: Canadas shame

Postby seewood » Sep 11th, 2017, 8:34 am

What's so wrong about having the FN residents chip into a pot to get the services they need? This, with assistance, not complete funding, from the other two levels of government should be enough for the reserves to provide water and infrastructure required. I know it sounds much like what the rest of Canadians do but , hey it works....
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Postby techrtr » Sep 11th, 2017, 1:13 pm

I'd love to find out how much the band chief and Councillors are paying themselves. Maybe that's where the money that should be used to improve services is going.

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Re: Canadas shame

Postby MattJ » Sep 16th, 2017, 3:46 pm

If the band members paid "taxes" to the band to fund "infrastructure", kind of like the model of the rest of the country, they would be able to properly self govern, and look after their own, instead of constantly blaming everybody else for their failures while looking for handouts, and pity. That's how government works.
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Re: Canadas shame

Postby maryjane48 » Sep 21st, 2017, 10:29 pm

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau used the brightest stage in international politics to shine a light on the darkest corners of Canada's story on Thursday, devoting a speech at the United Nations General Assembly to the plight of Canada's Indigenous peoples.

He spoke of forced migration, broken treaty promises and family separations via residential schools. These left a devastating legacy on reserves to this day, in a country whose very existence, he said, came without the consent and participation of the Indigenous populations who lived there for millenniums.

"For Indigenous peoples in Canada, the experience was mostly one of humiliation, neglect and abuse," he said.

"There are, today, children living on reserve in Canada who cannot safely drink, or bathe in, or even play in the water that comes out of their taps. There are Indigenous parents who say goodnight to their children, and have to cross their fingers in the hopes that their kids won’t run away, or take their own lives in the night... And for far too many Indigenous women, life in Canada includes threats of violence so frequent and severe that Amnesty International has called it 'a human rights crisis.'

"That is the legacy of colonialism in Canada."


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