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http://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4296602

The Liberals have come under fire for their proposed changes to the tax system from the opposition, small business owners, doctors and even members of their own caucus. But it's had no impact on their standing in the polls.

Instead, the Liberals are more popular today than they were on election day almost two years ago.

And their support among the wealthiest Canadians — those likely to be impacted most by the changes — appears to have held steady over the summer.

The Liberals sit at 41.5 per cent support, according to the latest tally of the CBC Poll Tracker, an aggregation of all publicly available polling data, weighted by date, sample size and the track record of polling firms. That puts the Liberals roughly two points ahead of where they were on election night in October 2015.

The Conservatives under Andrew Scheer have 30.9 per cent, down about one point since the election, while the New Democrats have slipped four points to 15.8 per cent.

The polling conducted over the past few weeks has been very consistent. Nanos Research, Campaign Research, Abacus Data and Mainstreet Research have all put the Liberals between 41 and 43 per cent, with the Conservatives between 30 and 32 per cent and the NDP between 15 and 17 per cent.

If an election were held today, the liberals would likely come out ahead with even more seats than they hold now.

Despite what the demographics of the Castanet forum and thread titles here would suggest, Canadians overall are still happier with the liberals and Trudeau than any other party and support remains high.

Oh wow, nice CBC spin here. Two parties in opposition against the Liberals have had no leader for most of the Liberal time in power. Of course they still have the same margin.

Whats really sad is how small their gains were with no real opposition.

Veovis wrote:Oh wow, nice CBC spin here. Two parties in opposition against the Liberals have had no leader for most of the Liberal time in power. Of course they still have the same margin.

Whats really sad is how small their gains were with no real opposition.

"Spin" it however you like. The numbers are just statistics, there's no manipulation. Just different interpretations.

The margins have barely changed even with the conservatives having a leader. In fact the appointment of Scheer has had no noticeable effect on polling that can be distinguished from regular fluctuations.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/po ... -1.4171977

Must be sad that the conservatives under Scheer's leadership are doing no better than they were without proper leadership.

Let's see how the NDP numbers change under Jagmeet. I unfortunately have a bad feeling about Quebec's response should he be chosen.

Step 1 - fund a Terrible tv channel until its literally a soviet tier propaganda machine for your perverted agenda

Step 2 - Look how popular they say I am

Step 3 - tax doctors, act like a millenial and become a living joke

Same integrity of reporting here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... think-abo/

androhn wrote:Step 1 - fund a Terrible tv channel until its literally a soviet tier propaganda machine for your perverted agenda

Step 2 - Look how popular they say I am

Step 3 - tax doctors, act like a millenial and become a living joke

CBC doesn't do the polling. They are reporting on third party polling results. They would report on polls regardless of which party was in power, as it is a news item.

Also "Act like a millennial"? What is this supposed to mean?

And what country doesn't tax doctors? I'm not sure what this comment is supposed to mean either.

You clearly dont know alot of things, hence why you idolize the folks you do.

Remember every news outlets election prediction for the states last year?
Selective reporting is not the truth.

If you followed the news youd know selfie boy was hiking taxes insanely on doctors, But what about paying terrorists 10 million dollars, does every country do that?

Trudeau is trying to be so cool and tolerant but now its just embarrassing. I know absolutely noone in real life who doesnt want to see him jailed for treason. Of course the people I associate with are hard working with families. seemingly the ones he hates the most.

androhn wrote:You clearly dont know alot of things, hence why you idolize the folks you do.

Remember every news outlets election prediction for the states last year?
Selective reporting is not the truth.

If you followed the news youd know selfie boy was hiking taxes insanely on doctors, But what about paying terrorists 10 million dollars, does every country do that?

Trudeau is trying to be so cool and tolerant but now its just embarrassing. I know absolutely noone in real life who doesnt want to see him jailed for treason. Of course the people I associate with are hard working with families. seemingly the ones he hates the most.

I'm sorry who are you? You say I don't know "alot" of things, yet you don't even know me. I posted statistics. And then followed that up with a link to more statistics, following trends for years. What about this is "selective reporting"? Is CBC cropping out polling data that has the liberal party with negative approval ratings?

You say "selfie boy" as though Harper, Scheer, Trump, or whoever your idol is doesn't take selfies, or allow their followers to get a picture alongside them? I'm sorry but the second I hear someone say "selfie boy" is the second I know someone is being petty and full of bias and ignorance.

I know that a lot of people are a raising a lot of fuss about a change to an unfair system that affects a lot fewer people, and a lot less than people realize. And the post addresses that even those polled who are affected by these changes (hint that's not you), really aren't that bothered. At least not enough to drop their support for the liberals.

Honestly the only people on here who have said things like "selfie boy" or acted like we gave 10 million dollars to a terrorist (unwilling to acknowledge the actual reason for the payout) are the people who were never liberal supporters in the first place. It's the same conservative crowd who would praise Harper or Trump for one thing while crying over Trudeau doing the same things.

And you say Trudeau should be jailed for treason? Haha what treason? Get real.

Lots of people are in hard working families or know hard working families and they all have their own opinions. And guess what, the polls show the results of those opinions. You want to ignore reality? Sure go ahead, but the largest group of those polled still support Trudeau.

Those are just the facts I'm reporting on...about a party I don't even vote for myself.

Remember a year ago, all the "facts" showed that the states were getting another Clinton.

I occasionally hear someone stand up for Trump now. I never hear anyone stand up for Trudeau anymore.

As for treason, collaborating with George Soros, the Clinton Foundation donation, and the 10 mil payout should prove what agenda is being pushed. Not the one he was hired for.

The silent majority gave Harper a good rebuke for alot less than whats going on now.

But fair enough, we will see in a few years.

androhn wrote:Remember a year ago, all the "facts" showed that the states were getting another Clinton.

I occasionally hear someone stand up for Trump now. I never hear anyone stand up for Trudeau anymore.

As for treason, collaborating with George Soros, the Clinton Foundation donation, and the 10 mil payout should prove what agenda is being pushed. Not the one he was hired for.

The silent majority gave Harper a good rebuke for alot less than whats going on now.

But fair enough, we will see in a few years.

trea·son
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noun
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

You first mention George Soros, let's avoid having this thread banished to the conspiracy forum, because there is zero evidence of any sort of wrong doing by George Soros, or how this would constitute treason in any way. It seems people hate rich philanthropists who donate to education.

Next you mention the Clinton Foundation.
This is not money that any Clinton family members draw income from.

As with other global charities, we rely on the support of individuals, organizations, corporations and governments who have the shared goal of addressing critical global challenges in a meaningful way. When anyone contributes to the Clinton Foundation, it goes towards foundation programs that help save lives."

Through 2016 the foundation had raised an estimated $2 billion from U.S. corporations, foreign governments and corporations, political donors, and various other groups and individuals. The foundation "has won accolades from philanthropy experts and has drawn bipartisan support".

Again, nothing here that constitutes "Treason" in any way

The 10 million dollar payout was to address the violations of the rights afforded by all Canadians. Those who have been detained unjustly or wrongfully convicted or received similar punishment in violation of their rights have received similar payouts. The only "agenda" being pushed here is a commitment to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Again, nothing here that would be considered treason. If anything it is quite the opposite.

You mention that you hear people stand up for Trump but not for Trudeau. Interesting anecdote, but in the face of the data presented in this thread, it mostly just shows that you have exclusivity in social circles or the information you choose to acknowledge. We call this a bubble or an echo chamber.

Like I said, the data doesn't lie. But you're free to interpret it as you wish. US polls did have Hillary in the lead, and indeed she did win the majority vote by a few million. The distribution of those votes however and the different electoral systems in places led to the loser of the popular vote taking the win.

Rex Murphy in the National Post website has a more realistic, cold bright light of day commentary re payout of ten million bucks to terrorist ...July 7, 2017

You may wish to look at the comments posters left after reading this article.

Anti Liberal comments by conservative supporters is hardly an unbiased metric. It just continues to show how echo chambers work. If internet comments were a measure of reality, then the earth would be flat.

Not to mention the evidence of Astro-turfers. Pro-right wing comments that appear in response to articles that quickly amass hundreds of likes in a matter of seconds after being posted. Which skew completely against the normal traffic for the site or average comment promotion. Or the recent Trump poll on Castanet that was sabotaged by bots.

Plus the things some of these people put in their comments...they would constitute treason were they not protected by free speech. I would be careful who you associate with, as there have been some truly vile and uncanadian statements. I used to have a Facebook page devoted to highlighting public comments made on Sun News's Facebook page. It was amusing how many takedown requests these people would submit after they'd realized just what kind of comments they'd publically attached their name to.

Catsumi wrote:Rex Murphy in the National Post website has a more realistic, cold bright light of day commentary re payout of ten million bucks to terrorist ...July 7, 2017

You may wish to look at the comments posters left after reading this article.

Rex Murphy's take on the Khadar scandal and how JT "handled" the miserable situation has not been removed or deleted, nor have the comments posted afterwards either. Nor have the many other articles with accompanying comments about this bumbling, inept government been deleted.

Not here to change your mind and help you see the light as you refuse to do so as can be seen by your nonstop throwing out of endless excuses for our hopeless PM.

I am neither left or right, nor politically affiliated but I do know when I smell rattus rattus. I will complain no matter what party we chose to elect when outrageous behaviour becomes public knowledge.

And BTW, why do we get some of our news through 'leaks' (whistleblowers)? Maybe someone was trying to pull a fast one?

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