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Bombardier vs Boeing

Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby KevinJP » Sep 26th, 2017, 7:35 pm

Since the US government has slapped a duty on Bombardier's aircraft, then maybe Trudeau should have the courage to tell Boeing to take their F-18's and shove it. He should also tell Lockheed Martin to take a hike and buy our new fighters from some other country. After all, if the American's are not going to defend us in the upcoming war with Korea, then we should be free to chart our own course.

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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby seewood » Sep 26th, 2017, 8:11 pm

Going to get interesting in the next while regarding Canada's requirement for replacing the CF-18's.
I wouldn't be surprised if JT does cancel the Super Hornet order now or hold off until the tariffs on the Canadair jets are lifted. Kibosh the F 35's as well.
Typhoon or Gripen 39, anything but the Rafale would work for Canada. Mig 35?

All this while we are trying to renegotiate NAFTA....
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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby KevinJP » Sep 26th, 2017, 8:18 pm

seewood wrote:Going to get interesting in the next while regarding Canada's requirement for replacing the CF-18's.
I wouldn't be surprised if JT does cancel the Super Hornet order now or hold off until the tariffs on the Canadair jets are lifted. Kibosh the F 35's as well.
Typhoon or Gripen 39, anything but the Rafale would work for Canada. Mig 35?

All this while we are trying to renegotiate NAFTA....


OMG, can you imagine the Donald seeing Russian planes stationed on North American soil?
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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby maryjane48 » Sep 26th, 2017, 8:44 pm

seewood wrote:Going to get interesting in the next while regarding Canada's requirement for replacing the CF-18's.
I wouldn't be surprised if JT does cancel the Super Hornet order now or hold off until the tariffs on the Canadair jets are lifted. Kibosh the F 35's as well.
Typhoon or Gripen 39, anything but the Rafale would work for Canada. Mig 35?

All this while we are trying to renegotiate NAFTA....

i say we get the new russian jet lol su-57 i think it is


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-57


The fighter is intended to succeed the MiG-29 and Su-27 in the Russian Air Force and serve as the basis for the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) being co-developed by Sukhoi and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) for the Indian Air Force.[18][19] The prototype first flew on 29 January 2010 and deliveries of production aircraft to the Russian Air Force are to begin in 2018.[20] The prototypes and initial production batch are to be delivered with a highly upgraded variant of the AL-31F used by the Su-27 family as interim engines while a new clean-sheet design power-plant is currently under development. The aircraft is expected to have a service life of up to 35 years
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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby Omnitheo » Sep 26th, 2017, 8:56 pm

Yep, absolute BS. Heavily US subsidized Boeing had no real alternative to offer Delta, and they got upset that the airline would prefer something other than their re-used Brazilian jets. So now they’re calling bombardier planes “dumping” because bombardier received government subsidies.

As if Boeing hasn’t been “dumping” their jets all over the world for decades.

I hope Canadian airlines are looking away from Boeing for any future purposes
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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby lesliepaul » Sep 26th, 2017, 10:02 pm

Boeing............only exists because of the U.S. military contract along with HUGE Federal and State tax breaks. Boeing is king at threatening Washington state with "we will move this and that to this redneck eastern state if you don't give us everything we want". Their last Trump-like tantrum was in 2015/2016.

:cuss: Boeing.............war mongers!
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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby Glacier » Sep 27th, 2017, 7:40 am

Two possibilities present themselves. Either Bombardier is no longer a private company but an arm of the government. Or — as seems equally plausible — the government of Canada at some point became a wholly-owned subsidiary of Bombardier.

If the latter, this would put those periodic government payments to Bombardier in a whole new light: not so much a subsidy, it seems, as a dividend.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/andrew- ... government
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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby deedub » Sep 27th, 2017, 1:22 pm

Maybe Bombardier should develop a competitor for the Super Hornet and F-35 .
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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby Bsuds » Sep 27th, 2017, 1:33 pm

deedub wrote:Maybe Bombardier should develop a competitor for the Super Hornet and F-35 .


Avro Arrow?

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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby maryjane48 » Sep 27th, 2017, 1:46 pm

boeing get same type of govt money glac so its kinda a odd article for globe and mail to print . shouldnt they investigate the americans bs instead of trying to paint canada in a bad light

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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby GordonH » Sep 27th, 2017, 3:40 pm

Both can't seem to survive on their own dime & constantly are seeking taxpayer bailout & getting it.
As I've said in the past sink or swim on your own dime not on taxpayers dime.

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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby alfred2 » Sep 27th, 2017, 3:48 pm

:up: :up: :up: :up:
GordonH wrote:Both can't seem to survive on their own dime & constantly are seeking taxpayer bailout & getting it.
As I've said in the past sink or swim on your own dime not on taxpayers dime.
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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby Catsumi » Sep 27th, 2017, 4:25 pm

A pipe dream if ever there was one.

Bombardier has cost us millions upon millions and no end in sight.

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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby Omnitheo » Sep 27th, 2017, 5:04 pm

So many unpatriotic people in here.

The same kind of people who would support things like Trump’s “make America great, buy American”. Somehow they hold no love for our own local industry. Every airline manufacturer in the world is government subsidized. It would be impossible to compete with the tens of billions that Boeing receives from the government otherwise.

What bombardier receives in subsidies it turns into airliners which put Canadians to work, and are sold into foreign markets bringing revenue back into Canada which the government takes tax from.

1 billion subsidy for 20 billion in profits is a pretty good deal.

Why is that everyone here is so much against this Canadian company? What is your alternative? Where are your complaints about Boeing or Airbus for doing the same thing?

Should we just step out of the game? Canada should give up on high tech manufacturing? Leave the industry to subsidized Boeing or Chinese manufacturers? Have our Canadian engineers migrate elsewhere to take their skills to rival countries/companies?

Where were these criticisms while Harper was the one handing out the subsidies? If it were Scheer in power saying “we’re going to support our Canadian workers, engineers, and industry” would we be reading the same comments here?
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Re: Bombardier vs Boeing

Postby Glacier » Sep 27th, 2017, 5:05 pm

Omnitheo wrote:So many unpatriotic people in here.

The same kind of people who would support things like “make America great, but American”.

Riiiggggghhht. It's the left the loves protectionism and corporate welfare.
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