Failing grade on climate

[The Green Barbarian]

GB, I’m sorry,

No you're not. Why even say such a thing.

but you are not smarter than the majority of scientists studying the climate. Call those who follow the science what you want, but you really should know that name calling doesn’t make you right.

Not sure what any of the above you wrote has to do with what I actually said. I highly doubt that the "majority of scientists studying the climate" support spending hundreds of billions of taxpayer cash on uneconomic and insanely stupid "Green" energy scams like wind power and solar power. These scientists for the most part, whoever they are, probably can do math, and also "follow science" as you say, and therefore, are able to do cost/benefit analyses and let that be their guide as opposed to allowing that warm glow in their little tummies be the over-riding principle for all decision-making. Only "Greenies" seem to be this stupid, not "the majority of scientists studying the climate".

That being said, if you can show me a study that has been done that shows that the "majority of scientists studying the climate" support insanely stupid green energy scams that cost tax payers hundreds of billions of dollars and achieve nothing, please do so.

[Omnitheo]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Ignoring climate change because greener energy is more expensive is the equivalent of ignoring your doctor because the medicine is expensive and you think you’re smarter than him. Meanwhile dismissing the reality of ending up in a hospital with expenses ranging magnitudes higher.

I can’t fault your shortsightedness. After all you will only live to see the beginnings of the catastrophic damage caused by climate change should current trends continue unchecked. Meanwhile our children and our nations will struggle with the costs of climate change.

Here is a comprehensive study from dozens of scientific studies, looking particularly at the United States. This isn’t even taking into account the loss of entire nations or islands such as Kiribati where the entire population will need to be relocated.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/3 ... /1362.full

I honestly don’t expect you to actually read a 10th of this study. But it’s here for your consideration.

[maryjane48]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Ignoring climate change because greener energy is more expensive is the equivalent of ignoring your doctor because the medicine is expensive and you think you’re smarter than him. Meanwhile dismissing the reality of ending up in a hospital with expenses ranging magnitudes higher.

I can’t fault your shortsightedness. After all you will only live to see the beginnings of the catastrophic damage caused by climate change should current trends continue unchecked. Meanwhile our children and our nations will struggle with the costs of climate change.

Here is a comprehensive study from dozens of scientific studies, looking particularly at the United States. This isn’t even taking into account the loss of entire nations or islands such as Kiribati where the entire population will need to be relocated.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/3 ... /1362.full

I honestly don’t expect you to actually read a 10th of this study. But it’s here for your consideration.

yea exactly, how many these fools would choose the cheaper brakes on a car expecting same performance as top the line? but the facts are the green tech will come down in price

[JagXKR]

Here is a comprehensive study from dozens of scientific studies, looking particularly at the United States. This isn’t even taking into account the loss of entire nations or islands such as Kiribati where the entire population will need to be relocated.

https://eyesonbrowne.wordpress.com/tag/sea-level-rise/

Of course no one really knows where it will head next, however one thing is for sure, there is absolutely no correlation to atmospheric carbon dioxide, and particularly the human contribution.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/09/ ... t-sinking/

New tidal measurements have shown that sea levels are the same as (or even below!) what they were 20 years ago in many places, like Vanuatu. This lie by eco terrorist "scientists" is the same bunk they have been shovelling down the throats of the gullible for decades. Yet here we are decades later and not one island is in danger and not one area has had to be evacuated due to sea level rise. The only reason any evacuations have happened is from volcanoes, like what just happened in the northern island of Vanuatu. But if the eco terrorist "scientists" could pin that on mankind, they surely would.

Look at page 23 with many islands showing little to no change, exactly opposite of the eco terrorist "scientists" lies.
http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO60101/IDO60101.201510.pdf

Other interesting charts showing opposite of the eco terrorist "scientists" lies.
Vanuatu actually showing less extreme swings with no real change from the 90's.

No real change in Tuvalu either.

[JagXKR]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Ignoring climate change because greener energy is more expensive is the equivalent of ignoring your doctor because the medicine is expensive and you think you’re smarter than him. Meanwhile dismissing the reality of ending up in a hospital with expenses ranging magnitudes higher.

Or your doctor is a quack and you need to get a new one. One with a real brain. One who knows that, for example, the foot fungus is not treated with an operation and a month stay in the hospital. Put some cream on it. Duh.
Climate change is natural and the reality is we should deal with it's eventuality rather than trying to change mom. She is more powerful and uncontrollable than mankind and always will be.

[lesliepaul]

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[Because_They_Lie]

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[Omnitheo]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Ignoring climate change because greener energy is more expensive is the equivalent of ignoring your doctor because the medicine is expensive and you think you’re smarter than him. Meanwhile dismissing the reality of ending up in a hospital with expenses ranging magnitudes higher.

Or your doctor is a quack and you need to get a new one. One with a real brain. One who knows that, for example, the foot fungus is not treated with an operation and a month stay in the hospital. Put some cream on it. Duh.
Climate change is natural and the reality is we should deal with it's eventuality rather than trying to change mom. She is more powerful and uncontrollable than mankind and always will be.

So you never read the report then.

This isn’t just a single doctor. This is if the entire medical establishment was showing studies of the medical conditions and treatments over the course of 50 years. And you say “no medicine and surgery is expensive. I’m going to stick to homeopathy and stick to my current habits”.

Also those graphs you showed. With the exception of the third example, if you plot an average across those, you will see the line increase.

And when you keep saying crap like “the climate is always changing” you’re missing the entire point and only showing your ignorance. Yes the climate changes, but every model shows that we are having an effect on the climate beyond the normal changes. We’ve studied volcanoes, solar activity, etc etc etc and none of these can account for the current rapid changes to the climate we above the norms that we are seeing today. This excuse is like if you keep smoking cigarettes and your doctor says it’s going to kill you and you just say “well people die anyways”.

[Because_They_Lie]

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[Because_They_Lie]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Ignoring climate change because greener energy is more expensive is the equivalent of ignoring your doctor because the medicine is expensive and you think you’re smarter than him. Meanwhile dismissing the reality of ending up in a hospital with expenses ranging magnitudes higher.

Or your doctor is a quack and you need to get a new one. One with a real brain. One who knows that, for example, the foot fungus is not treated with an operation and a month stay in the hospital. Put some cream on it. Duh.
Climate change is natural and the reality is we should deal with it's eventuality rather than trying to change mom. She is more powerful and uncontrollable than mankind and always will be.

It's not mom, it is "The Man" UN agenda. Man does have the power to control the weather, educate yourself...Please, DO NOT BE DECIEVED.

[The Green Barbarian]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Ignoring climate change because greener energy is more expensive is the equivalent of ignoring your doctor because the medicine is expensive and you think you’re smarter than him.

Ah yes, now using analogies completely unrelated to the stupidity of solar and wind scams to try and justify ripping off tax payers for hundreds of billions of dollars. Desperation is a stinky cologne.

As Mathew Ridley famously said, the hundreds of billions being spent on disgusting scams like tidal power, solar power and wind power is the equivalent of applying a tourniquet around your neck to stop a nose-bleed. The cost/benefit analyses don't stand up. They don't work. Using emotion as your guide leads to insanely stupid policy decisions, and that's exactly why wind and solar scams exist in the first place.

[Queen K]

Washington State is full of wind turbines just as one approaches Ellensberg. I wonder how they are all doing, besides the obvious bird and bat death count.

The problem is that people did desparately grasp for alternatives, only we are finding that the last grasping hand on getting rid of coal burning, dams and nuclear have proven fallen short.

The best we can hope for is individual uses of solar panels to run small pratical things, but not to fed the masses, much like gardening is for personal use, not to feed the masses.

[Jlabute]

Pacific islands like Vanuatu have been shown to be sinking due to tectonic subduction and during tectonic events like earthquakes have been measured to have sunk 100’s of mm. I had no idea that earthquakes and subduction was caused by a tiny extra CO2 in the atmosphere. Sounds like fake science. Other islands shift as sediment gathers on one side and is removed from the other side and the rate of gain or loss changes. Islands like Kiribati have changed shape dramatically. Still, the population is growing, no one is moving out, and the population is adopting more of a western lifestyle.
There is little change in the pacific island land masses and no reason for alarm unless there is a political or monetary motive that requires people to be scared.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-06-03/p ... ing/851738

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andre ... 871fc44355

https://climatism.wordpress.com/tag/kiribati/

Anyone who gets their information from science.science.org obviously has not been to Science.science.science.science.org which is more scientific. All alarmism does is cause panic and money mismanagement when there actually is no problem. Also, you should provide a link that doesn’t require a subscription, and/or login if you want anything to be read.

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
– Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

[Omnitheo]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Ignoring climate change because greener energy is more expensive is the equivalent of ignoring your doctor because the medicine is expensive and you think you’re smarter than him.

Ah yes, now using analogies completely unrelated to the stupidity of solar and wind scams to try and justify ripping off tax payers for hundreds of billions of dollars. Desperation is a stinky cologne.

As Mathew Ridley famously said, the hundreds of billions being spent on disgusting scams like tidal power, solar power and wind power is the equivalent of applying a tourniquet around your neck to stop a nose-bleed. The cost/benefit analyses don't stand up. They don't work. Using emotion as your guide leads to insanely stupid policy decisions, and that's exactly why wind and solar scams exist in the first place.

I’m not sure how to reconcile those two paragraphs with eachother.
“Analogies are stupid, so here’s an analogy”

[Omnitheo]

[quote="Jlabute”]
Anyone who gets their information from science.science.org obviously has not been to Science.science.science.science.org which is more scientific. All alarmism does is cause panic and money mismanagement when there actually is no problem. Also, you should provide a link that doesn’t require a subscription, and/or login if you want anything to be read.
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I’m not sure you understand how website urls work. But please tell me your better source for peer reviewed scientific studies than one of the largest academic science journals which dates back to 1880.