Uncover Faces in Quebec

Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby seewood » Oct 25th, 2017, 4:57 pm

Prestige Mike wrote: Until there are a bunch of robberies involving niqabs I think it is best to not discriminate against Muslim women who wear the Niqab.


I agree, however playing devils advocate of sorts, one can "what if" the debate till Christmas.
The burka and niqabs have been used by the Israeli special forces( can't find the link but believe it was in the Gaza strip), Britain's SAS and https://news.vice.com/article/male-suic ... ds-capital and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -four.html

Now I truly hope it is not nor ever will be an issue, however if it ever does happen in North America, let alone Canada, attitudes will change I bet.

I don't know the answer, but just saying, might be something to consider...
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby Prestige Mike » Oct 25th, 2017, 10:37 pm

That is fair to bring up Seewood. As you said, hopefully this doesn't become an issue here. One of those examples is from Chad, and the other from Saudi Arabia. It looks like this is an extremely rare strategy used by terrorists at the moment.
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby techrtr » Oct 26th, 2017, 7:07 am

Prestige Mike wrote:A cowboy hat and glasses does almost the same job. Until there are a bunch of robberies involving niqabs I think it is best to not discriminate against Muslim women who wear the Niqab.


That's right, being reactive is always the best strategy. Wait for someone to get killed, then take action even though there have been plenty of warnings.

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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby the truth » Oct 26th, 2017, 7:19 am

that's the left for ya
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby Ka-El » Oct 26th, 2017, 7:28 am

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While the research shows that people with right-wing views tend to be less intelligent than those with left-wing views,
the continued excuse-making and support for Donald Trump indicates researchers have underestimated by how much.
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby the truth » Oct 26th, 2017, 7:31 am

like i said [icon_lol2.gif]
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby The Green Barbarian » Oct 26th, 2017, 7:43 am

Prestige Mike wrote:A cowboy hat and glasses does almost the same job. Until there are a bunch of robberies involving niqabs I think it is best to not discriminate against Muslim women who wear the Niqab.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/b ... -1.2840489
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby the truth » Oct 26th, 2017, 9:37 am

says it all,^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby Catsumi » Oct 26th, 2017, 5:17 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote:
Prestige Mike wrote:A cowboy hat and glasses does almost the same job. Until there are a bunch of robberies involving niqabs I think it is best to not discriminate against Muslim women who wear the Niqab.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/b ... -1.2840489



What a surprise! Religious facial coverings used to commit a crime??!!

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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby JLives » Oct 26th, 2017, 5:20 pm

This is an on the fence issue for me. On one hand I see it as a symbol of oppressing women. On the other I don't agree with telling a grown woman what they can wear. I haven't heard a really solid argument to sway me either way.
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby Ka-El » Oct 26th, 2017, 6:27 pm

I can see the argument for legal identification purpose (ie. not getting on a bus), but still hold the more libertarian view that “if what you are doing is not hurting you or anyone else, then it is not the business of anyone else – especially the government”
While the research shows that people with right-wing views tend to be less intelligent than those with left-wing views,
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby the truth » Oct 26th, 2017, 7:24 pm

JLives wrote:This is an on the fence issue for me. On one hand I see it as a symbol of oppressing women. On the other I don't agree with telling a grown woman what they can wear. I haven't heard a really solid argument to sway me either way.


these women do not want to wear this, there husbands force them to wear it
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby alanjh595 » Oct 26th, 2017, 7:41 pm

JLives wrote:This is an on the fence issue for me. On one hand I see it as a symbol of oppressing women. On the other I don't agree with telling a grown woman what they can wear. I haven't heard a really solid argument to sway me either way.


Maybe they are dressing this way for self protection from men and their uncontrollable desires?

(I hope that came out okay? It's a touchy subject, I know) OOOoooppps again, I just don't know how to broach this subject without using words that others may take offence to. I am sincerely trying to offer suggestions.
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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby The Green Barbarian » Oct 26th, 2017, 9:12 pm

JLives wrote:This is an on the fence issue for me. On one hand I see it as a symbol of oppressing women. On the other I don't agree with telling a grown woman what they can wear. I haven't heard a really solid argument to sway me either way.


How about this? I have no problem believing that the women who wear burkas in Canada are wearing them willingly. But the question is why. The answer is because they have been programmed from birth to accept this treatment. Read some of Aayan Hirsi Ali's books. Brilliant insight.

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Re: Uncover Faces in Quebec

Postby FreeRights » Oct 29th, 2017, 1:55 pm

techrtr wrote:That's right, being reactive is always the best strategy. Wait for someone to get killed, then take action even though there have been plenty of warnings.

Obviously being reactive is not the best - or even a good - strategy. However, these sort of policies should be based on a proper risk assessment. Establishing the impact, likelihood and frequency of these hazards, imposing counter measures, then re-evaluating the risk. So "warnings" aren't the be-all, end-all of applying proactive security processes.

That being said, I obviously wasn't involved nor do I have access to any risk assessment that was done in this case. So while I can provide clarification in how these decisions are made, I cannot clarify whether the correct steps were taken in this particular case.
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