Court blocks suncor random drug testing

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Postby GordonH » Dec 11th, 2017, 8:17 pm

Omnitheo wrote:Didn’t you lose a job for failing a drug test? How is that needed “in the patch”? If someone is capable of functioning with the help of a prescription to manage otherwise spontaneous anxiety issues, then there’s nothing wrong with it provided they’re taking their prescription. Same goes for people who suffer from chronic migraines and take a prescription that prevents them.

Not all drugs are the same. Some allow people to function, they need them, and they work better under them. Some drugs like caffeine are almost universally encouraged. Meanwhile other drugs are used to escape reality and lead to dangerous situations and thus precautions need to be taken to ensure people are fit to work.

What about the illegal drugs
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 11th, 2017, 8:34 pm

Omnitheo wrote:Didn’t you lose a job for failing a drug test? How is that needed “in the patch”? If someone is capable of functioning with the help of a prescription to manage otherwise spontaneous anxiety issues, then there’s nothing wrong with it provided they’re taking their prescription. Same goes for people who suffer from chronic migraines and take a prescription that prevents them.

Not all drugs are the same. Some allow people to function, they need them, and they work better under them. Some drugs like caffeine are almost universally encouraged. Meanwhile other drugs are used to escape reality and lead to dangerous situations and thus precautions need to be taken to ensure people are fit to work.



Lost plenty of jobs for failing drug tests. Still not gonna say it wasnt fair. I knew the rules i was breaking. And the consequences.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Omnitheo » Dec 11th, 2017, 8:36 pm

Re: Gordon, legality of drugs shouldn’t matter. “Legal” is up to the law to determine, and prosecute.

Workplaces should focus on impairment and detriment, regardless of legality. There are a number of prescription meds, or other legal drugs such as alcohol that can lead to significant impairment and harm.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby GordonH » Dec 11th, 2017, 8:48 pm

Omnitheo wrote:Re: Gordon, legality of drugs shouldn’t matter. “Legal” is up to the law to determine, and prosecute.

Workplaces should focus on impairment and detriment, regardless of legality. There are a number of prescription meds, or other legal drugs such as alcohol that can lead to significant impairment and harm.

If I was ever injured because someone else's stupidity for being impaired on the job. That as :cuss: hole would have a lawsuit on his or her hands.
My right along with fellow workers to have a safe working environment, should trump any privacy issues.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Dizzy1 » Dec 11th, 2017, 9:35 pm

GordonH wrote:If I was ever injured because someone else's stupidity for being impaired on the job. That as :cuss: hole would have a lawsuit on his or her hands.
My right along with fellow workers to have a safe working environment, should trump any privacy issues.

I wish you the best of luck with that.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby GordonH » Dec 12th, 2017, 1:09 am

GordonH wrote:If I was ever injured because someone else's stupidity for being impaired on the job. That as :cuss: hole would have a lawsuit on his or her hands.
My right along with fellow workers to have a safe working environment, should trump any privacy issues.

Dizzy1 wrote:I wish you the best of luck with that.

Thank-you Dizzy1, I'm the type who believe there should be consequences for one pure stupidity (being impaired in the workplace, by drugs or alcohol). I'm sure others feel these individuals should be allowed get away with this behavior in the workplace. Then someone gets seriously injured or killed. Far to many get away with BS
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Dizzy1 » Dec 12th, 2017, 1:29 am

GordonH wrote:Thank-you Dizzy1, I'm the type who believe there should be consequences for one pure stupidity (being impaired in the workplace, by drugs or alcohol). I'm sure others feel these individuals should be allowed get away with this behavior in the workplace. Then someone gets seriously injured or killed. Far to many get away with BS

I totally get where you're coming from - but its not as easy as you think it might be.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Smurf » Dec 12th, 2017, 7:36 am

It is a shame that it is so hard to enforce. There should be tight controls on any type of drugs including alcohol in the workplace. people should even have to advise there employer if they are taking prescription or over the counter drugs that would make them a danger in their workplace.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 12th, 2017, 11:55 am

Dogs went thru a camp north of GP last night.
Guess thats just oil companies encouraging drinking and drug use hey MJ.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Chyren » Dec 12th, 2017, 3:26 pm

Caffine? Really? This is what the argument came to? Wow...

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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 12th, 2017, 3:29 pm

Chyren wrote:Caffine? Really? This is what the argument came to? Wow...

Its a drug thst can cause impaired judgment so why wouldnt it be included. Unless of course you want to pick and choose based on personal bias :smt045

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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby GordonH » Dec 12th, 2017, 4:08 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Its a drug thst can cause impaired judgment so why wouldnt it be included. Unless of course you want to pick and choose based on personal bias :smt045

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What are the chances that any employer would place coffee on a banned fluid list. Good luck with this one MJ
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 12th, 2017, 4:11 pm

Proves my point [icon_lol2.gif] personal bias and suncor isnt really concerned about preventing accidents
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 12th, 2017, 4:34 pm

Maybe they will just make it a condition of employment to submit to a bi-monthly test? Just take the word "random" out.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 12th, 2017, 4:40 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Proves my point [icon_lol2.gif] personal bias and suncor isnt really concerned about preventing accidents




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