Court blocks suncor random drug testing

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Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 13th, 2017, 7:10 am

fluffy wrote:
Jflem1983 wrote:As an example. Night before last. My buddy gets up to a camp for cenovus. Soon as he got there. Drug dogs went thru his room. Then he had to pee in a cup next morning. Now it looks like he moght be out of a job. Thanks for coming out lol. I warned him.


Didn't his "right" to smoke what he wants get him a pass? :)




He had trace amounts. Hes been clean for a month.
Im not sure if they are gonna keep him. I bet they send him to a different camp
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby fluffy » Dec 13th, 2017, 7:38 am

Jflem1983 wrote:He had trace amounts. Hes been clean for a month.


That is the big issue right there. You can fail a pee test weeks after any measure of impairment has disappeared. This will be an issue with driving as well once the stuff goes mainstream, there is a real and immediate need for reliable testing of impairment levels, not just checking your history.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby vegas1500 » Dec 13th, 2017, 9:39 am

maryjane48 wrote:Well my point is real simple vegas . Im against folks being anything but sober at work and i asked a simple question

If suncor does random drug tests and booze showed up in a,test should that person lose their job.

So far no one wants to answer it .you all dancing around it .
My new question is why ?


maybe you should head up there and ask them............

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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 13th, 2017, 11:58 am

I already know,the answer hence im glad they shut it down . :biggrin:
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 13th, 2017, 2:24 pm

maryjane48 wrote:I already know,the answer hence im glad they shut it down . :biggrin:



?
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby vegas1500 » Dec 13th, 2017, 4:12 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Well my point is real simple vegas . Im against folks being anything but sober at work and i asked a simple question

If suncor does random drug tests and booze showed up in a,test should that person lose their job.

So far no one wants to answer it .you all dancing around it .
My new question is why ?


No, you said suncor isn’t interested in preventing accidents....period. Which is so far from the truth people like you will never get it... please for the sake of us all, stop commenting about things you have no first hand experience at. There are numerous hard working people on here that work up there that actually understand the great lengths the companies go to in the oil sands to protect the welfare of their workers and your “made up comments” are insulting to them.

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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby fluffy » Dec 13th, 2017, 5:03 pm

maryjane48 wrote:My question is this if alcohol showed up on said test would that person still have a job ?


No. Not if he/she is on site. Zero tolerance.



Cold medicine ? Sleeping pills ? Nicotine ?


Chief among the drugs scanned for are alcohol, pot and opiates. That would include many prescription medications as well as a number of over-the-counter meds. If the employee has a legitimate reason for using the substance, like a prescription or the appropriate illness for over-the-counter meds, he may get a pass and hang on to his job. But if the drug causes impairment to any significant degree the employee may get sent home until the illness passes and a doctor signs off on that, or he may be placed on modified duties, that is he/she would perform low risk duties for a time. You know, making coffee or licking envelopes.

The bottom line is safety.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 13th, 2017, 7:02 pm

Turned out the test was inconclusive. My buddy still got sent out of the camp. His company is gonna give him a break though. He has to test again . They expect him to have trace amounts of pot. If thats all it is they will send him to another camp. He got very lucky his company is going an extra mile for him
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Smurf » Dec 14th, 2017, 5:49 am

I believe any good employer would go the extra mile but they still have to error on the side of safety for the sake of everyone else on the job. Is safety and going home at the end of the day not number one on everyones mind? It doesn't matter how important the job is to you if you can never work again or worse yet are dead.
Consider how hard it is to change yourself and you'll understand what little chance you have of changing others.

The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything, they just make the most of everything that comes their way.

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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Smurf » Dec 14th, 2017, 5:54 am

Does anyone think that it is possible that now that they are blocked from doing random tests they will be much tougher on who gets in in the first place. I know I would be. Someone who was borderline might have got in before when they could follow up randomly but now they might just be turned down because they are pretty well stuck once they get there.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby fluffy » Dec 14th, 2017, 6:39 am

Smurf wrote:Does anyone think that it is possible that now that they are blocked from doing random tests they will be much tougher on who gets in in the first place. I know I would be. Someone who was borderline might have got in before when they could follow up randomly but now they might just be turned down because they are pretty well stuck once they get there.


"Random testing" and pre-employment testing are different issues. A pre-employment urine test is still mandatory for new hires as well as existing employees who have been off site for an extended period, somewhere around ninety days I think, but don't quote me on that. It is also still mandatory to submit to testing if the employee is involved in any safety related "incidents", like accidents or close calls.

Random testing allows the employer to test anyone on site, any time. Someone coming back in from their regular days off who might have had a puff or two while out of camp would be at risk of losing their job should they be singled out for testing. This is what the unions are fighting, and it's only going to intensify with the coming relaxing of laws regarding recreational pot.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 14th, 2017, 12:29 pm

Smurf wrote:Does anyone think that it is possible that now that they are blocked from doing random tests they will be much tougher on who gets in in the first place. I know I would be. Someone who was borderline might have got in before when they could follow up randomly but now they might just be turned down because they are pretty well stuck once they get there.


Actually, this gets to the heart of the matter.

IF you hire properly in the first place, 90% of your labor force problems go away.

My experience taught me that many employers ignore a key element, psychological matching. Everyone out there has jobs/workplaces where they can be successful. Often though, a person who can be happy and gain job satisfaction in workplace situation/culture A, will fail - at the same job - in situation/culture B. (sometimes the culture needs change, but that's a whole 'nother).

What worked out very well paying the money, getting industrial psychologists involved, and testing the a number of volunteer workers who we felt embodied the closest to the employee model we wanted. That gave us a baseline, and all short list potential hires were tested against that baseline. Too far off, and off the individual went to the "thanks, but no thanks" list.

I actually think that really helped with avoiding workplace substance abuse. Those that were hired under that regime had a close to zero substance abuse rate - and a whole host of other better workplace outcomes.

There is another part of the equation that many companies don't seem to grasp. Front line supervisors. Most companies stick pretty rigidly to the hierarchy where front line supervisors are pretty considered "entry level" as far a supervisory/management staff goes. That's a mistake. The front line supervisor has the most impact on the quality of the workplace, and the quality of the workplace determines the outcomes. Unfortunately, in most cases, the front line supervisor either has hit his or her ceiling under the "Peter principle" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle or is enticed out of front line supervision by higher pay "further up" the management hierarchy.

In actual practice, a top notch front line supervisor requires a great deal of both skill and talent (plus a willingness to be the filling in the sandwich). But companies tend not to be willing to pay for that, nor recognize the value, and incentivize people to move "up and out" of those positions.

If you have well trained, and top notch front line supervisors, you won't need the Draconian measures of drug testing etc. and all the issues that come with it (one of which is that drug testing tells the employee "we don't trust you" - and how can that be a good thing to do?).

That said, having worked in a camp situation, it is indeed a 24/7 situation where the strains on supervision are greater. But not insurmountable with top notch supervision.

That's why I say that pee testing etc. are cop outs. They are actually bandaids covering up a poor management regime. They are not foolproof anyway. But they do provide poor managers with "cover".
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 14th, 2017, 12:34 pm

Testing for what fluffy ? If alcohol isnt on the list its a joke and im wilking to bet it will change booze and pot are same when it comes april 20
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 14th, 2017, 2:47 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Testing for what fluffy ? If alcohol isnt on the list its a joke and im wilking to bet it will change booze and pot are same when it comes april 20




For the final time. They test for alcohol. They freak out if they find a beer can. It is serious work. Stop arguing with working people . What do you care what suncor does or doesnt test for. They aint gonna hire u. U aint gonna up there and take a chance on a job. I cant figure out why u keep running these hard working western canadians down.
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Re: Court blocks suncor random drug testing

Postby fluffy » Dec 14th, 2017, 7:54 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Testing for what fluffy ? If alcohol isnt on the list its a joke and im wilking to bet it will change booze and pot are same when it comes april 20


Short term memory loss mj?
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