3.7 cents kwh

3.7 cents kwh

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 14th, 2017, 1:19 pm

http://edmontonjournal.com/business/ene ... -the-water

Cheapest in canada,.no dams,needed . Rachel must be having big laugh at bc folly of wasting billions,on a,dam :135:
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 14th, 2017, 2:19 pm

it's garbage power though - so even if it's free, it's still crap. And so much for the bat populations in Southern Alberta now, whatever bats are left are completely toast.
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 14th, 2017, 2:24 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote:it's garbage power though - so even if it's free, it's still crap. And so much for the bat populations in Southern Alberta now, whatever bats are left are completely toast.

Lol even if its free ? Its guarenteed power for 20 years .
Site c will kill 40 percent the fish going through it wheres your cry of alarm there ? :smt045 fact is dams cant compete .bc got rooked thanks to bclibs [icon_lol2.gif]
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 14th, 2017, 2:49 pm

maryjane48 wrote:http://edmontonjournal.com/business/energy/wind-power-auction-blows-old-renewable-energy-myths-out-of-the-water

Cheapest in canada,.no dams,needed . Rachel must be having big laugh at bc folly of wasting billions,on a,dam :135:


*removed* Add in the subsidies. Add in the transmission infrastructure. Add in the distribution costs. All of a sudden it ain't cheap.

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Quit trying to pretend that wind is cheap. It ain't - just ask Ontario. People there are rolling their eyes at Alberta, and how stupid politicians can be when they meddle in things.

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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 14th, 2017, 2:55 pm

There is no subsady unless itcfalls below 3.7 kwh and if it goes above the producer pays . You backed a lame horse and now your going to have to provide answers why evrryone in bc was lead to pay more.
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 14th, 2017, 2:59 pm

In fact, our process was so competitive and so many companies wanted to invest, we got a 20-year price of 3.7 cents a kilowatt-hour.”

Under its agreement with the companies, the province will subsidize the plants using funds from its levy on heavy industrial emitters if the power price falls below the bid price — if it’s higher, the companies are to pay the difference to the province.

Thats direct quote from article . Anything below 3.7 cents the govt will kick in if above 3.7 cents the supplyer pays :biggrin:

Win for alberta loss for bc
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby CapitalB » Dec 14th, 2017, 3:02 pm

hobbyguy wrote:
maryjane48 wrote:http://edmontonjournal.com/business/energy/wind-power-auction-blows-old-renewable-energy-myths-out-of-the-water

Cheapest in canada,.no dams,needed . Rachel must be having big laugh at bc folly of wasting billions,on a,dam :135:


*removed* Add in the subsidies. Add in the transmission infrastructure. Add in the distribution costs. All of a sudden it ain't cheap.

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Quit trying to pretend that wind is cheap. It ain't - just ask Ontario. People there are rolling their eyes at Alberta, and how stupid politicians can be when they meddle in things.

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I mean you can say the same of any public works project. Oh no they built a thing and it has upfront costs associated with setting it up... I'm so shocked. I'm not even sure why you guys are trying so hard to spin this into a bad thing. Alberta a province that is largely flat has basically built a thing that can harvest their most plentiful natural resource, wind. Yes, they had to build infrastructure, regardless of that this is going to create long term plentiful and cheap electricity for a really long time. Also this 'crap' power, as far as my basic understanding of electricity goes, is just as functional as 'real'(?) electricity.
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby Smurf » Dec 14th, 2017, 3:04 pm

Site C could bid 2 cents if they get the right subsidies, free transmission lines etc like the alternatives do. The truth will come out in the end the same as Ontario, California, Australia and others. I would sooner know up front what I am paying than have to dig through tons of papers to hopefully find all the subsidies etc to try to get the true costs. These projects are just another form of IPP's and we all know how that worked out. At least when site C comes on line we will be able to start getting rid of our IPP's. Wonder how long it will be before they are asking BC to cover them when their Alternative sources don't work, basically a lot of the time.
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 14th, 2017, 3:18 pm

The truth is in the article . They bid on it .no one forced then to offer 3.7 .now its locked in .the only sabsady is if it goes below 3.7 cents kwh . Ont has bigger problems of power companys including hydro over billing. Therexproblems have zero to do with wind as its less,than 5 percent in ont .they have a corruption problem funny enough laura miller was involved
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby Smurf » Dec 14th, 2017, 3:46 pm

You are forgetting all the cost that gets the power from their site to the customers doors. You are forgetting that just like the IPP's they will be paid for power even when it is not needed, just like our current IPP's. All the alternative energies produce well at the same time meaning there is a huge surplus of power which in recent history has been selling on the market cheaper than these bids. As has been explained numerous times that is how BC is making large profits, buying the basically for free alternative power and then selling it back to the same jurisdictions for much higher prices when their alternatives can't produce and they actually have their highest demands. There is just soooo much wrong with this picture and you MJ are being sucked in again.
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 14th, 2017, 4:11 pm

Smurf wrote:You are forgetting all the cost that gets the power from their site to the customers doors. You are forgetting that just like the IPP's they will be paid for power even when it is not needed, just like our current IPP's. All the alternative energies produce well at the same time meaning there is a huge surplus of power which in recent history has been selling on the market cheaper than these bids. As has been explained numerous times that is how BC is making large profits, buying the basically for free alternative power and then selling it back to the same jurisdictions for much higher prices when their alternatives can't produce and they actually have their highest demands. There is just soooo much wrong with this picture and you MJ are being sucked in again.



Lol only thing wrong in bc is backing a dam .you can have power for 3.7 cents kwh in alberta compared to 12 cents in bc which will be going up 6.5 percent . Facts vs bclib fantasy
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby JagXKR » Dec 14th, 2017, 6:12 pm

maryjane48 wrote:
Lol only thing wrong in bc is backing a dam .you can have power for 3.7 cents kwh in alberta


No you can't. That is not the price the consumer pays. Please stop lying.
Why use a big word when a diminutive one will suffice.

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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 14th, 2017, 6:38 pm

Lol read the article its all there . Bc got shafted :smt045
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 14th, 2017, 6:50 pm

Funny thing, no windy-solar propaganda promoter has ever been able to explain why they can't answer the simple real world challenge:

Please post a link to windy-solar non synchronous generation grid jurisdiction that has abundant, renewable, reliable and affordable electricity without subsidies.

It doesn't exist, yet the green dogma believers just keep spouting on about wind and solar. Everywhere the windy solar nonsense has been tried, it fails and politicians who got sucked in cover up their stupidity by subsidizing the heck out of wind and solar. They hide the subsidies as best they can, but anyone who can read a financial statement and a specification knows what they are doing.
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Re: 3.7 cents kwh

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 14th, 2017, 7:06 pm

I just did .you need to accept your fantasy a dam suoplys cheaper power is just that a,fantasy .your wish has been granted i answered your request .

It will only be subsadized if its cheaper than 3.7 cents kwh. It same as saying if gasoline is pumped out for free our govt will give oil companies. Money lol.

Sonce your request has been answered now you can answer mine

Link to bcyhdro plans to lower rates in bc after site c is built ? How many decades shall i wait for answer ?


Fetching an average supply price of 3.7-cent, the auction resulted in record low wind price in Canada. For comparison, the City of Medicine Hat sets its retail price at the default average across Alberta has a December power price of 3.9-cents.

“It’s about great jobs, about private sector investment and getting the best price,” said Notley, further stating that the 29 companies that submitted bids “jumped at the chance to invest in Alberta.”

Government officials estimated the contracts would lead to a combined $1 billion investment, 700 construction jobs over the next three years and $1 million in lease payments for rural landowners were the facilities are location.

The goal is to have 30 per cent of Alberta’s power requirements come from low-carbon sources by 2030. Bringing on the required 5,000-megawatts, could result in $10.5 billion in capital investment, state Alberta Energy officials.

Interestimg medicine hat only pays 3.9 cents

http://medicinehatnews.com/news/local-n ... on-winner/

Binnu Jeyakumar, program director for electricity at the environmental Pembina Institute, said in an email the low auction price has "blown old renewable energy myths out of the water."

By 2030 the program is expected to attract more than $10 billion of investment in the Alberta economy and create more than 7,200 jobs for Albertans as projects are built.
The first round of competition attracted $1 billion of investment from international and Alberta-based companies. It’s expected to create 700 construction jobs and 40 long-term operational jobs.


Round one of the competitive process was designed to ensure new projects won't affect the reliability of our electricity grid and power is delivered at the lowest possible cost to consumers. Projects are required to connect to existing transmission or distribution infrastructure to avoid indirect costs to electricity consumers.

They have to connect to lines already built no extra costs there. [icon_lol2.gif]

Successful projects will be privately funded and supported by reinvesting a portion of carbon revenues from large industrial emitters.

Prvatly funded unlike site c which is publicly funded :smt045

The next rounds of competition are being developed. More details are expected in early 2018.



https://www.alberta.ca/renewable-electr ... ogram.aspx

More to come next year while we stuck with money pit
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