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Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby mexi cali » Dec 22nd, 2017, 11:45 am

And, as for the title of this thread, 4 out of 10 are who admit too it. I think that number is likely a bit higher than that.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby jimmy4321 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 3:38 pm

JLives wrote:
Two different substances that need to be addressed independantly. Marijuana affects individuals differently. For some it actually improves focus. Especially those on the ADHD spectrum. For others they shouldn't leave the couch.


I don't know enough to disagree but if a cop wants to test your spit on a Saturday evening and you last smoked on that Friday night, it sounds as though your screwed.
It sounds like those will be the ones treating alcohol and marijuana the same.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Ken7 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 5:47 pm

Nedroj wrote:
Zero level legislation may unfairly convict those who are heavy or regular marijuana users and who have a higher tolerance level and are not impaired at the time of driving.

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Thanks for your post. I do have to question the statement of heavy users have a higher tolerance. Totally agree that is likely true as it is with other drugs such as Alcohol, although I question impairment.

My thoughts are even with a tolerance, you still have a degree of impairment, where judgement may not be 100% as rapid and other decision making skills, delayed reaction time, distorted sense of your surroundings, poor coordination. feeling anxious or panicky, feeling dizzy or tired these could be lower then when you are totally clean from a THC high.

What are your thoughts..as a drinker of alcohol even after three drinks I can recognize some of my own abilities are impaired. Experts say even at .10 milligrams of alcohol in your blood, weather you are a seasoned drinker or not, you have a degree of impairment.

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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Ken7 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 5:51 pm

Omnitheo wrote:This is why there needs to be a cognition/responsiveness/impairment test, as opposed to a simple drug test. Because simply testing positive for thc does not necessarily indicate impairment. Meanwhile a sleepy driver could be far more impaired and hazardous without testing positive for anything.




What you describe are those not the side effects of being high on THC? Does it impair your ability to focus?

I have seen the effects of others in a social environment, personally I wouldn't get into a vehicle with someone who is high or would I want to work near them for that matter.

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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Ken7 » Dec 22nd, 2017, 5:54 pm

Smurf wrote:Actually the real life saver would be a test for stupid that could prevent people from driving. There would be no traffic on the roads.


There would be some on this blog site who definitely would be restricted!! :130:

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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Bsuds » Dec 22nd, 2017, 5:57 pm

So from the title am I to assume that the other 6 don't know how to drive?
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby GordonH » Jan 26th, 2018, 10:56 pm

Bumped
Just watched the fifth estate on driving high.
It would appear the process of detecting high drivers (D.R.E) is a 30 year old flawed system.
So the police don't have system back up by science for detecting high drivers.
impo this is totally unacceptable, so based on this alone the July 1 legalization should be delayed.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Corneliousrooster » Jan 27th, 2018, 8:41 am

Ken7 wrote:
I have seen the effects of others in a social environment, personally I wouldn't get into a vehicle with someone who is high or would I want to work near them for that matter.


I would wager you wouldn't want to when they are sober either - some people are just sub par, regardless.

In my mid 20s I was an avid cross country/down hill mountain biker. About 80% of the group of 20-30 peeps we would ride with every week were avid tokers. We would laugh as most of the crashes were happening to those who did not partake and the 5 best riders in the group were between 40 and 55 years old. I was baffled at their endurance and technical skills even after several "smoke" breaks. These men were all professionals in their day jobs and I think the general public would be shocked who they were and what they had accomplished in life/skill set despite partaking on the regular.

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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Ka-El » Jan 27th, 2018, 9:25 am

I also know a few professionals (including a brother) who regularly engage in the recreational use of marijuana. They do not in any way fit the profile that many have of Pot smokers being lazy or dull-witted. I would still venture that none operate a motor vehicle while stoned though. Some people have figured out that driving impaired is just not worth the risk.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby GordonH » Jan 27th, 2018, 10:07 am

GordonH wrote:Just watched the fifth estate on driving high.
It would appear the process of detecting high drivers (D.R.E) is a 30 year old flawed system.
So the police don't have system back up by science for detecting high drivers.
impo this is totally unacceptable, so based on this alone the July 1 legalization should be delayed.


More then likely same result will happen in Canada after July 1
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Ka-El » Jan 27th, 2018, 10:25 am

GordonH wrote: Just watched the fifth estate on driving high.
It would appear the process of detecting high drivers (D.R.E) is a 30 year old flawed system.
So the police don't have system back up by science for detecting high drivers.
impo this is totally unacceptable, so based on this alone the July 1 legalization should be delayed.

Police and all concerned government and public bodies have had more than a year to prepare for the legalization of recreational marijuana use, and new science is available. I don’t know that it sets a good standard to delay legislation using bureaucratic ineptitude as the excuse. In any case, I really doubt the Trudeau government is going to accept any delays on this legislation, so all relevant political bodies need to get working on preparing for this day instead of working on excuses.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Nedroj » Jan 27th, 2018, 10:33 am

Ka-El wrote:
GordonH wrote: Just watched the fifth estate on driving high.
It would appear the process of detecting high drivers (D.R.E) is a 30 year old flawed system.
So the police don't have system back up by science for detecting high drivers.
impo this is totally unacceptable, so based on this alone the July 1 legalization should be delayed.

Police and all concerned government bodies have had more than a year to prepare for the legalization of recreational marijuana use, and new science is available. I don’t know that it sets a good standard to delay legislation using bureaucratic ineptitude as the excuse. In any case, I really doubt the Trudeau government is going to accept any delays on this legislation, so all relevant political bodies need to get working on preparing for this day instead of working on excuses.


As far as Im concerned legalizing pot is the ONE and only good thing Trudeau has done for Canada. If he doesnt keep his word on this,(and combined with all the other BS he's pulled) I highly doubt he will be re-elected. Police have been trained to spot drug impairment for decades, and its seemed to work as i've seen first hand the test they conduct. Delaying its legalization time because of this argument is invalid.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby GordonH » Jan 27th, 2018, 11:21 am

GordonH wrote:Just watched the fifth estate on driving high.
It would appear the process of detecting high drivers (D.R.E) is a 30 year old flawed system.
So the police don't have system back up by science for detecting high drivers.
impo this is totally unacceptable, so based on this alone the July 1 legalization should be delayed.

Ka-El wrote:Police and all concerned government and public bodies have had more than a year to prepare for the legalization of recreational marijuana use, and new science is available. I don’t know that it sets a good standard to delay legislation using bureaucratic ineptitude as the excuse. In any case, I really doubt the Trudeau government is going to accept any delays on this legislation, so all relevant political bodies need to get working on preparing for this day instead of working on excuses.


Here is a link to the program I watched, that concerns me if our police have the ability to not only lay charges. More importantly get conviction on those charges.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2017-2 ... d-reliable
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby common_sense_guy » Jan 27th, 2018, 11:33 am

Ken7 wrote:
jimmy4321 wrote:Be curious to know if those who drove were impaired beyond what was acceptable with alcohol.
It should be ZERO tolerance for both, but you can be certain more people drink and drive after two hours of consuming.


I heard the story on the news the other day. The fellow obviously pro pot said heavy users do not have impairment issues because they are use to it and know what to expect.

I must add, this was no scientist or specialist as they did not say Doctor or follow with any credentials of the sort.

Really, is that like alcoholics are not impaired because they are used to functioning while impaired?

Let's be real, if alcohol impairs all even at a reading well below the Provincial suspension level according to expert opinion, through study and observation do you think the ill effects of any drug is not the same.

Personally I'm no scientist but common sense will tell you that it will.

No actually it's nothing like alcohol impairment whatsoever. But I'm guessing you only get your news from other people and not from people who do it on a regular basis so you're opinion might be skewed
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby oldtrucker » Jan 27th, 2018, 2:43 pm

Omnitheo wrote:This is why there needs to be a cognition/responsiveness/impairment test, as opposed to a simple drug test. Because simply testing positive for thc does not necessarily indicate impairment. Meanwhile a sleepy driver could be far more impaired and hazardous without testing positive for anything.


Glad you posted this. Imagine how tired 'every' truck driver is -15 hrs /day.
It's very difficult for any human to concentrate on such a mundane task for 70 hrs week.
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