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Postby alanjh595 » Jan 28th, 2018, 3:14 pm

Try again.

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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby my5cents » Jan 28th, 2018, 3:18 pm

alanjh595 wrote:Try again.

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Lets talk about this on a Forum about disease diagnosis. This one is about "Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive..."
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 28th, 2018, 3:32 pm

my5cents wrote:
alanjh595 wrote:Try again.

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Lets talk about this on a Forum about disease diagnosis. This one is about "Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive..."


Okay, YES, you are right, my bad. I am sorry for getting off track. Alzheimer's is a very touchy subject for me right now.

I apologize to all involved in this topic.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby capleton » Jan 28th, 2018, 7:35 pm

People die from car crashes while talking on cell phones plus booze, not pot, good reefer madness post though.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Chyren » Jan 29th, 2018, 7:49 am

capleton wrote:People die from car crashes while talking on cell phones plus booze, not pot, good reefer madness post though.


Wow talk about a massive over generalization. No crashes have ever been linked to marijuana use?
http://www.bcmj.org/council-health-prom ... le-crashes <---Canadian medical journal

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/25/c ... atalities/


I'm not saying its as bad as driving drunk or driving on cell phones but to say pot isn't involved with some crashes is putting your head in the sand.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby CapitalB » Jan 29th, 2018, 11:21 am

Chyren wrote:
I'm not saying its as bad as driving drunk or driving on cell phones but to say pot isn't involved with some crashes is putting your head in the sand.


I think that one big difference though is pot can be involved in an accident. Alcohol and distraction are the actual causes of an accident. Pot is a factor, it slows reaction time a bit, in my personal and lengthy experience significantly less than the slowness from a T3. A better comparison would be old age, a really stoned person probably has a reaction time approaching that of a driver in their 80s.

The biggest problem with this subject is the majority of people commenting on this are pretty ignorant of the actual effects of pot and consider things that are many times stronger in effect as comparable. The marijuana / alcohol analogy is completely useless thats like comparing alcohol to fentanyl, and comparing it to distracted driving is also pretty useless unless your making the argument that a stoned person may be more prone to distraction (though the opposite could also be argued).


There absolutely needs to be a line drawn for inebriation, I don't however think anyone is going to come up with a handy measuring system, like the blood alcohol content level, that isn't by nature just broken. Checking the blood doesn't distinguish between recent and long term use, testing breath is easily tricked and would have trouble accounting for the various ways of intake.

Is there a solution to these issues? I don't know. I have my personal limit of too much, that I know by feeling. I also know generally how long it takes to come down from there to be in my safe zone.
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That being said I have to really put an effort into getting that high because it takes quite large amount of thc to get there. It also takes less than an hour to come down to a manageable level, which is the general time frame of being stoned. Two factors that pot smokers will almost universally agree with, but also points that will make all non users very uncomfortable because they can't stop comparing it to alcohol.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby capleton » Jan 29th, 2018, 10:07 pm

Chyren wrote:
capleton wrote:People die from car crashes while talking on cell phones plus booze, not pot, good reefer madness post though.


Wow talk about a massive over generalization. No crashes have ever been linked to marijuana use?
http://www.bcmj.org/council-health-prom ... le-crashes <---Canadian medical journal

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/25/c ... atalities/


I'm not saying its as bad as driving drunk or driving on cell phones but to say pot isn't involved with some crashes is putting your head in the sand.


Car crashes with pot also involve some other substance, usually booze. that ridiculous argument has already been refuted numerous times
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Jonrox » Jan 30th, 2018, 4:33 pm

And I'd venture that a study on alcohol done to these standards would result in a finding that 9 out of 10 alcohol users drive within 2 hours of consuming an alcoholic beverage. It doesn't mean they're driving drunk, just like this study on marijuana users doesn't mean they're driving impaired.

This story is meaningless in this context and was done just for the fear-mongering headline.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 31st, 2018, 7:05 pm

Here we go.
67 days for 'very high' driver
Colton Davies - Jan 31, 2018 / 5:52 pm | Story: 217717

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A woman was handed a 67-day jail sentence in Penticton court on Wednesday for charges related to hitting another woman with her car in Oliver last week.

Angelene Solien, 22, pleaded guilty on Monday to assault with a weapon, possession of stolen property under $5,000 and failure to stop at an accident.

On Wednesday, Solien appeared in court via video and pleaded guilty to an additional charge of breach of probation, which she was serving from a separate incident last year.

On Jan. 26, RCMP in Oliver responded to an injured pedestrian report on Lakeshore Drive, and later found out a woman had been struck by Solien's vehicle after a disagreement.

Solien was later arrested by RCMP in Princeton after crashing the vehicle, which police said had been stolen from Oliver the previous day.

In her sentencing, Judge Michelle Daneliuk said Solien's offences were a result of using drugs.

Daneliuk pointed out that Solien's boyfriend said she was "very high" on methamphetamine when she crashed the vehicle late at night, and that she had been using the drug regularly for a month.

Solien was allegedly heading to Vancouver and planning to live transiently in a tent city. She only had her learner's license as well.

Daneliuk also said that Solien could have gone into drug treatment with her mother's help — who was present in the courtroom on Wednesday — but she refused.

"It is in part a social problem, and in part a medical problem, and unfortunately the courts are not very well equipped to deal with those aspects... And we're left dealing with the fallout of that, which is the criminal conduct that inevitably occurs."

Daneliuk noted that the situation was "extremely dangerous" for Solien and other members of the public.

“Frankly, it’s just extremely fortunate that she didn’t injure herself or someone else as a result of this driving.”

For account of time already served, Solien will spend the next 58 days in prison followed by her 12-month probation


https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... igh-driver

Close enough to home for the pro-drug crowd?
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Osoyoos_Familyof4 » Jan 31st, 2018, 7:55 pm

^^ driver was on meth, not pot, big difference.

We must return to field sobriety tests, and perhaps the field sobriety test should be changed to include impairment that is inclusive of all substances.

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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 31st, 2018, 8:17 pm

As far as I aware there is only a roadside test to check for impairment. To determine what drug, would require a blood test at a medical facility and only after lab results were obtained.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby capleton » Jan 31st, 2018, 8:48 pm

alanjh595 wrote:Here we go.
67 days for 'very high' driver
Colton Davies - Jan 31, 2018 / 5:52 pm | Story: 217717

Photo: Castanet Staff
A woman was handed a 67-day jail sentence in Penticton court on Wednesday for charges related to hitting another woman with her car in Oliver last week.

Angelene Solien, 22, pleaded guilty on Monday to assault with a weapon, possession of stolen property under $5,000 and failure to stop at an accident.

On Wednesday, Solien appeared in court via video and pleaded guilty to an additional charge of breach of probation, which she was serving from a separate incident last year.

On Jan. 26, RCMP in Oliver responded to an injured pedestrian report on Lakeshore Drive, and later found out a woman had been struck by Solien's vehicle after a disagreement.

Solien was later arrested by RCMP in Princeton after crashing the vehicle, which police said had been stolen from Oliver the previous day.

In her sentencing, Judge Michelle Daneliuk said Solien's offences were a result of using drugs.

Daneliuk pointed out that Solien's boyfriend said she was "very high" on methamphetamine when she crashed the vehicle late at night, and that she had been using the drug regularly for a month.

Solien was allegedly heading to Vancouver and planning to live transiently in a tent city. She only had her learner's license as well.

Daneliuk also said that Solien could have gone into drug treatment with her mother's help — who was present in the courtroom on Wednesday — but she refused.

"It is in part a social problem, and in part a medical problem, and unfortunately the courts are not very well equipped to deal with those aspects... And we're left dealing with the fallout of that, which is the criminal conduct that inevitably occurs."

Daneliuk noted that the situation was "extremely dangerous" for Solien and other members of the public.

“Frankly, it’s just extremely fortunate that she didn’t injure herself or someone else as a result of this driving.”

For account of time already served, Solien will spend the next 58 days in prison followed by her 12-month probation


https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... igh-driver

Close enough to home for the pro-drug crowd?


That does not help you at all, we are talking about MARIJUANA, not meth.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby alanjh595 » Jan 31st, 2018, 8:50 pm

capleton wrote:That does not help you at all, we are talking about MARIJUANA, not meth.


Neither one can be tested roadside. Both would require blood tests.
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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Osoyoos_Familyof4 » Feb 1st, 2018, 8:22 pm

What do people think about a return to the old fashioned sobriety tests they used to do on the roadside? (Walk the line, say the alphabet backwards, pupil reaction, fingertip to nose etc.)

Is there a reason why these tests fell out of favour? Was it the breathalyzer being so easy and quick? Does/is the physical roadside test not accurate?

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Re: Almost 4 out of 10 Pot Users drive...

Postby Nedroj » Feb 2nd, 2018, 6:55 am

alanjh595 wrote:
capleton wrote:That does not help you at all, we are talking about MARIJUANA, not meth.


Neither one can be tested roadside. Both would require blood tests.


Have you seen a person high on meth up close? It’s pretty dam noticeable! Hard to miss the involuntary body jerks, head bobbing around, constant fidgeting, sores, pupils, general weird behaviour plus possible paraphernalia. A field sobriety test would easily show this person is high enough on something to take them off the road.

I sure as f :cuss: hope people are not comparing weed to meth, that’s like comparing Tylenol to Fentynol.
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