Ontario raises minimum wage - Workers Lose

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GrooveTunes wrote:I agree it wasn't fast enough. My response was for Dizzy really.


Oh, sorry.

Dizzy1 wrote:Funny how success only seem to happen to those who fight for it and not those who just sit and complain about life being not fair.


Verum answered better than I can but it's not like a lot of people simply give up and stop fighting for better jobs and lives. Pointing out inequities isn't necessarily complaining either. Lots of people go their whole lives bettering themselves and still end up making very low wages. They're happy they learned a lot and experienced lots of things but "working hard" simply isn't a panacea.
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HorganIsMyHero wrote:
GrooveTunes wrote:I agree it wasn't fast enough. My response was for Dizzy really.


Oh, sorry.

Dizzy1 wrote:Funny how success only seem to happen to those who fight for it and not those who just sit and complain about life being not fair.


Verum answered better than I can but it's not like a lot of people simply give up and stop fighting for better jobs and lives. Pointing out inequities isn't necessarily complaining either. Lots of people go their whole lives bettering themselves and still end up making very low wages. They're happy they learned a lot and experienced lots of things but "working hard" simply isn't a panacea.

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Dizzy1 wrote:Part of the problem is that thats exactly what some people who are making minimum wage are doing :up:


Who cares? You know what a lot more people are doing with that money? Paying for food and shelter. I spend zero time worrying about welfare cheats. There will always be people like that in the world. We should bring in a gauranteed minimum income and stop demonizing poor people.
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*removed*

Any suggestions on what we should do to prepare for the rising inequality and mass job loss that is coming due to robotics and AI in the near future!

I GET THERE ARE FOLKS THAT DON'T THINK RAISING MINIMUM WAGE IS AN OPTION OR BASIC MINIMUM INCOME IS AN OPTION

I hear loud and clear the shouts of "Socialism and leftist policies will destroy us" .... moving on....

I'm not saying basic minimum income is the solution either! It an option being put forward by lots of people.

I'm asking what other options/ideas we have to address this problem...
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JLives wrote:
Dizzy1 wrote:Who cares? You know what a lot more people are doing with that money? Paying for food and shelter. I spend zero time worrying about welfare cheats. There will always be people like that in the world. We should bring in a gauranteed minimum income and stop demonizing poor people.

Stop "demonizing poor people"? Good grief! :laugh:

We already have a guaranteed minimum income - its called minimum wage - and it goes up from time to time. Don't like it - do what the rest of us did and get out of it.

BTW, no one mentioned anything about "welfare cheats".
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Pretty slimy of those Tim Horton's stores to cut coffee breaks. However, at the company I work for in Kelowna, there are no coffee breaks and no sick days. Mind you, I make up for it by spending an inordinate amount of time on forums like this one and shopping online.
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techrtr wrote:Pretty slimy of those Tim Horton's stores to cut coffee breaks. However, at the company I work for in Kelowna, there are no coffee breaks and no sick days. Mind you, I make up for it by spending an inordinate amount of time on forums like this one and shopping online.

I don't see it as slimy - beats the alternative of laying someone off. A few jobs I had didn't have paid coffee breaks.
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I don't agree with raising the minimum wage nor some Tim Hortons franchises reaction to it.
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jimmy4321 wrote:I don't agree with raising the minimum wage nor some Tim Hortons franchises reaction to it.

It won't be just Tim Hortons' franchises that have had a knee jerk reaction and when head office doesn't step up to the plate, what would you have them do?
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http://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4479673

An higher minimum wage has the potential to boost local economies by putting more money into the pockets of workers, according to a labour expert.

Following blowback against businesses that have cut benefits and paid breaks to account for the recent mandatory minimum wage increase in Ontario, York University labour geographer, Steven Tufts, said small business owners should embrace wage increases as an opportunity.

"When we take wages and increase them and put more money in the pockets of workers they buy the products from those small businesses and that's good for the economy," Tufts told Stephen Quinn, host of CBC's The Early Edition.

Reduce turnover

His comments come as some independent businesses in Vancouver say they're having trouble recruiting and retaining workers amid a housing affordability crisis in British Columbia.

B.C.'s NDP government raised the hourly minimum wage to $11.35 last fall and has committed to ultimately raising it to $15 per hour, but without a firm deadline. Ontario has announced it will increase the provincial minimum wage to $15 an hour by Jan. 1, 2019.

Tufts said he's heard from business owners in Ontario who want to focus on the potential benefits of wage increases rather than the cost of higher wages.

"There are some small business folks … who are advocating that employers actually go along with the increase and turn the increase into an advantage," said Tufts, "That might actually reduce turnover because you're paying more."


Historically, organizations like the Canadian Federation of Independent Business have had a gut reaction to wage increases and tend to send the same message each time the issue arises, according to Tufts.

"We have to put that in historical perspective, however. For the last 80 years, since minimum wage was put into effect by government, employers say the same thing every time and they almost react the same way to increases every time and that's independent of how significant the increase is," said Tufts.

He pointed to the wage freeze in Ontario in the 1990s, put into place by Progressive Conservative premier at the time, Mike Harris, saying Ontario wages have been playing catch up since then.

"Even if you're adjusting for inflation, getting it up to $14 or $15 is not that far back from where minimum age has been set historically. It's just we've had a number of years where it hasn't been raised at all so what we're seeing now is just an adjustment."


Interesting that for 80 years there have been minimum wage laws, and increases to those wages have in the past more accurately reflected inflation and living expenses, yet somehow business still exist! Imagine, all those people on this forum in their senior years, that somehow lived through previous eras of wage increases! It must have been sheer chaos, with businesses going under. Lazy boomers and Gen Xers not putting in any real work to get a real job, the sky falling....

But it’s totally different this time right? Somehow?
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I agree with most of what you’ve said Omni. On top of that, while wages have remained mostly stagnant the cost of living has soared (never mind all these stupid consumptions taxes introduced to cover reckless cuts to income tax), and the income gap not only between countries, but between the uber-wealthy here and everyone else continues to grow (this is no longer a left or right issue, it is simply just not sustainable). We know regular people’s wages are not keeping up, but I would suggest it is a more complex problem than just raising the minimum wage - although that too is sometimes necessary. I think what is going to make the Ontario example so problematic and what makes it different is that it is a matter of “too much, too fast”.
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Watchdog warns hiking minimum wage could lead to 50,000 conversations with your uncle about how the Liberals are ruining the economy

TORONTO – The Financial Accountability Office is warning that Kathleen Wynne’s plan to raise minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour will likely lead to thousands upon thousands of conversations with your uncle about how the Liberals are trying to bleed small businesses dry.

“On net, we estimate that if the wage hike goes through your uncle will call you multiple times a week, and corner you at every family gathering to talk about this,” said the report. “Conversations will be concentrated amongst teens and young adults whose politics differ from their elderly family members.”

The FAO went on to warn that, while under the current minimum wage, the vast majority of those subjected to Uncle Conversations are his spouse and friends, under the new system nearly all of his time will be devoted to you, and you alone.

“We are also worried that many of those conversations will include terms like ‘Liberals,’ ‘Frau Wynne’ and ‘that *bleep* Kathleen’” warned the lead investigator. The intensity of these comments could vary, depending on the last time your uncle saw a Millennial treat themselves to a nice meal.

The liberals appear to be unconcerned by the findings however, insisting that the Ontario economy is strong and could withstand even the most drunken ranting by your Uncle.

On the bright side the FAO also found that the minimum wage hike could result in a marked decrease in your cousins asking to borrow money.

At press time you answered your phone without checking the caller ID again? You idiot!

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/09/wa ... g-economy/
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http://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/02/20/o ... a-homepage


Ever since news landed that Canada, and specifically Ontario, suffered major job losses in January, speculation has been rife that the province's substantial minimum wage hike was at least partly to blame.

But a new analysis from Scotiabank finds there isn't much to back up the notion that the wage hike pushed Ontario's job market off a cliff in the first month of 2018.

"There is little evidence to suggest that the 51,000 job losses in Ontario in January can be attributed to the New Year's Day increase in the provincial minimum wage," economist Juan Manuel Herrera wrote in a client note.
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