Even a liberal nation has limits...

[The Green Barbarian]

MONTREAL — After fleeing to Montreal from Long Island, Marlise Beauville felt, she said, as if she had reached the Promised Land.

She entered the country last summer without immigration papers, yet received a work permit, a monthly stipend of 600 Canadian dollars, or $480, free health care and free French lessons. The weather has become bone-cold chilly but her Canadian neighbors are warm.

Though it is not clear that she will be able to stay, she is hunkering down, adamant that limbo in Canada is better than returning to Haiti, where she fears that the family of her dead husband will kill her. (but Haiti isn't a hole) “I won’t — I can’t — go back to Haiti,” said Ms. Beauville, a caregiver from Anse-à-Veau, Haiti, who was visiting a Haitian community center here the other day.

Ms. Beauville was one of a surge of thousands of Haitian migrants who crossed over the border from the United States to Quebec last summer, spurred by a May announcement by the Trump administration that Haitians could lose their temporary protected status in the United States, granted after the 2010 earthquake that devastated their country.

The migrants were hoping to benefit from a loophole in a United States-Canada treaty that allowed them to make refugee claims in Canada if they did not arrive at legal ports of entry, but crossed the border illegally.

But Canadian officials are warning that even liberal Canada has its limits amid concerns, fairly or not, that illegal migration is stretching the immigration system to a breaking point and risks stoking a potential backlash.

Canada’s minister of immigration, Ahmed Hussen, himself a former refugee who moved to the country from Somalia when he was 16, said Canada was proud to be a welcoming country but could not welcome everyone. Only about 8 percent of Haitian migrants had received asylum here since the summer, he said, while there is a backlog of about 40,700 cases, according to Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board.

“We don’t want people to illegally enter our border, and doing so is not a free ticket to Canada,” Mr. Hussen said in an interview. “We are saying, ‘You will be apprehended, screened, detained, fingerprinted, and if you can’t establish a genuine claim, you will be denied refugee protection and removed.’ ”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/worl ... tians.html

[Queen K]

GB, two liberals "liked" your post.



I see there is more mayham at the border now. We just can't have this go unbated. Trump is wreaking havoc down South and causing panic.

I don't know if he's right to demand 200,000 El Salvadorean people to go back to a third World country, but he's certainly trying.

[Catsumi]

Open up those spare bedrooms, folks. Company expected soon.

[bob vernon]

And he'll give each one $10 million.

[The Green Barbarian]

Trump is wreaking havoc down South and causing panic.
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Trump is doing what he said he would do, and clamping down on illegal immigration. I know this issue is hard for Canadians to understand because we are so insulated by the US buffer, but it's a big issue. Just ask an American the next time you meet one, or even a moderator (cough) who you might know. Whenever I ask someone why they voted Trump, "immigration" is the first word they say, then "economy" is second. The DNC just didn't get it. There was only so far you could go in leaving your borders wide open and allowing masses of people to cross illegally while turning a blind eye. Is it right or wrong? Who are we to judge? The point of this article is that, I think, Canada is finally waking up too, as the wave of migrants will be coming north, as they don't want to go back to the hole they came from.

[Queen K]

We are insulated aren't we?

I was thinking about those countries and Mexico and why people would want to leave them so desparately and not want to return.

We've talked about Haiti before, how Haitians don't want to return to Haiti. Why they are streaming across the border here.

Mexico is another one, we know there's a bit of a war going on, cartels and desparate poverty, shootings, attacks on restaurants and no way would I go there even though many do.

Which other countries have been described a hole countries? El Salvador, Nigeria and ???

We have to look at the whole picture for each, economic conditions, class mobility, laws and law enforcement, access to education and living conditions. Guess what, I don't even think Trump is wrong to describe some of them as hole countries, but it is completely WRONG to fail to look at why and what is different about them, say as compared to Norway or Canada or even the USA.

What makes the differences?

About the panic in the South, I'm talking about disruptive demonstrations and further divide. Yes, many are saying that th illegal migrants are a problem, but I guarantee they are working in jobs few will take otherwise.

[Queen K]

What makes the difference? Who am I kidding:

Rule of Law.
Social safety nets.
Union jobs.
Well run civic utilities. Water, sewage, electrical.
Social and class mobility.
Opportunity.
Education systems (which the NDP just made more accessible)

Am I missing anything? ^^ Likely someone will fill it in.

I am aware that people have been given the opportunity to make thems legal.

[Queen K]

Haiti: sweat shops amidst the unrebuilt earthquake destruction

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/16 ... ith-haiti/

[Queen K]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... b6695b451d

I have a friend who went to Ghana to do missionary work. She described the people as the most wonderful in the World. But their living conditions were appauling.

All these African guys in suits don't want to the world to know the lack of sanitation, etc.

Only the whole World knows.

[Queen K]

Can't talk about the Dreamers without having their website here to look over:

https://unitedwedream.org/

Question: do young people with these ideals change as they get older and see issues differently? Do they really become more conservative in time?

That would be like likening those who believed in civil rights in the South in the 60s as having gotten older and decided there was no need for marches and demonstrations afterall.

Will the Dreamer movement now with all their people involved feel the same 40 years from now? 50 years from now?

[techrtr]

So, only 8% of Haitians who hopped across the border since last summer have received asylum here. What happened to the other 92%? Where they sent back to the US or Haiti? I would have thought that would be all over the news if they were or there would be protests as they were escorted to the airport or nearest border crossing.

I don't believe anything the Tru-doh government says.

[techrtr]

Can't talk about the Dreamers without having their website here to look over:

https://unitedwedream.org/

Question: do young people with these ideals change as they get older and see issues differently? Do they really become more conservative in time?

That would be like likening those who believed in civil rights in the South in the 60s as having gotten older and decided there was no need for marches and demonstrations afterall.

Will the Dreamer movement now with all their people involved feel the same 40 years from now? 50 years from now?

There's being Liberal, and then there's Liberalism taken to the point of absurdity. I used to be quite Liberal but I think Liberalism in Canada is being taken to the point of stupidity. I believe Trudeau is leading us down the garden path to show the world that he's much more than just a dumb, rich, high school teacher who's father just happened to be the PM.

[Queen K]

Gone_Fishin and you in a bar ------------. "Who do we hate? TRUDEAU!"

[Catsumi]

Can't talk about the Dreamers without having their website here to look over:

https://unitedwedream.org/

Question: do young people with these ideals change as they get older and see issues differently? Do they really become more conservative in time?

That would be like likening those who believed in civil rights in the South in the 60s as having gotten older and decided there was no need for marches and demonstrations afterall.

Will the Dreamer movement now with all their people involved feel the same 40 years from now? 50 years from now?

There's being Liberal, and then there's Liberalism taken to the point of absurdity. I used to be quite Liberal but I think Liberalism in Canada is being taken to the point of stupidity. I believe Trudeau is leading us down the garden path to show the world that he's much more than just a dumb, rich, high school teacher who's father just happened to be the PM.

From what I've read there are thousands that are still here in Canada, needing to be deported but home countries don't want them back. So,the best guess is they are here to stay. Many more to come judging from recent news items. We have a hole in our border in Quebec that for whatever reason is left wide open for anyone to waltz across. Sure, they may be "arrested", but by golly, they're IN LIKE FLYNN. Money, meal tickets, healthcare, all provided by Canadian taxpayer.

We are short on housing, doctors, care and funds for veterans, OAS raises but lots of money to chuck around to impress the liberals.

As I mentioned above, get your spare rooms ready.

[Queen K]

Oh I completely agree, there is a huge human disaster on our hands. The US let them stay for much longer than intended and apparently didn't push them to get citizenship? What the heck? Why not? So now that Trump is forcing the issue, those people are either getting citizenship or coming to Canada? And why are they? Because there are liberal groups here making websites, tweets and texts telling people all about our great benefits in being a refugee. Only they aren't.

We are in one hell hole of a situation.